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Postby Paphitis » Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:20 am

The Greek Diaspora in Australia, had donated some 1 million Euros to Greece to help victims of the Peloponnese fires. When Australia had devastating bush fires in Victoria last year, literally wiping out towns and villages, the Greek Community of Australia asked the Greek Republic to make a token donation to Australia. A figure of 100,000 Euros was mentioned. The Republic of Greece denied this request much to our embarrassment.

Another Greek Macedonian Association in Melbourne also donated 2 small yachts to Greece, which were specially modified and configured for handicapped kids. The yachts made their way to Greece and were confiscated by the Greek Government because the Greek Macedonian Association did not pay the import duties/taxes. They asked for an exemption. It was denied, and so the Greek Macedonian Association tried desperately to raise the money to pay these import levies, but did not have enough time, and so the boats were confiscated and sold/or destroyed.

What else do you expect from a country that used and abused many GC refugees that went to Athens. We heard about GR's story, and my in laws paint a very similar picture. And now the Greeks have the audacity to tell us about "Hellenism" and how Germany and Cyprus contributed to their financial collapse! :roll:

So what happened to Greece's "Hellenic" ideals? What has become of this Greek "Hellenic" society?
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Postby Oracle » Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:15 pm

Paphitis wrote:The Greek Diaspora in Australia, had donated some 1 million Euros to Greece to help victims of the Peloponnese fires. When Australia had devastating bush fires in Victoria last year, literally wiping out towns and villages, the Greek Community of Australia asked the Greek Republic to make a token donation to Australia. A figure of 100,000 Euros was mentioned. The Republic of Greece denied this request much to our embarrassment.


You are not comparing like-with-like.

Most of the (many) Greek Diaspora have homes and family, back in their motherland, which were directly affected by the fires. It's common practice by the Diaspora to send money back to the motherland in one form or another. Hence the generous donations collected for Greece, from the Greek community. Don't cheapen it, Paphitis!
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Postby Oracle » Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:19 pm

Paphitis wrote:What else do you expect from a country that used and abused many GC refugees that went to Athens. We heard about GR's story, and my in laws paint a very similar picture.


No country in the 70s had the resources and structures to help refugees adequately in emergencies. GR! is just latching on to an easy excuse with which to fob-off revealing reasons for his anti-Greek stance. [That's not to say he didn't suffer, even in the aftermath, as I know he and his family did/do suffer greatly -- but this isn't the main reason why GR! is critical of Greece]
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:12 pm

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Paphitis wrote:The Greek Diaspora in Australia, had donated some 1 million Euros to Greece to help victims of the Peloponnese fires. When Australia had devastating bush fires in Victoria last year, literally wiping out towns and villages, the Greek Community of Australia asked the Greek Republic to make a token donation to Australia. A figure of 100,000 Euros was mentioned. The Republic of Greece denied this request much to our embarrassment.


You are not comparing like-with-like.

Most of the (many) Greek Diaspora have homes and family, back in their motherland, which were directly affected by the fires. It's common practice by the Diaspora to send money back to the motherland in one form or another. Hence the generous donations collected for Greece, from the Greek community. Don't cheapen it, Paphitis!


Don't be silly Oracle. The Greek Diaspora has no obligation to be sending money to Greece, and the latest undignified act for requesting donations from the Greek Diaspora has been met with overwhelming cynicism. But let's just say they were obligated to send money to Greece, which is no longer their "motherland" btw. Then, by the same token, Greece too is obligated to send money to Australia, because as it so happens, Australia has been good enough to accept thousands of Greek immigrants thus unburdening Greece itself. Australia has also accepted thousands of Cypriot refugees, whereas Greece actually spat in their faces. And let's not forget that Australia lost hundreds of service personell whilst defending Greece in WW11.

So, I would say that Greece most certainly has many obligations to Australia and the Greek Diaspora. But Australia is most certainly a wealthy nation, and doesn't need any assistance from Greece. Furthermore, it was not Australia that requested any assistance from Greece. It was the Greek Diaspora, which also lost homes in the fires. Yes that's right, Greek Australians also lost everything in those fires, and since the Greek Diaspora donated 1 million Euros to Greece, they were expecting a token donation of some 100,000 Euros in return. Was Greece obligated? It should have felt so, and donated the money, because apart from the donations from the Greek Diaspora, the Australian Government also sent aid to Greece, although I am not sure how much!

Another Greek Macedonian Association in Melbourne also donated 2 small yachts to Greece, which were specially modified and configured for handicapped kids. The yachts made their way to Greece and were confiscated by the Greek Government because the Greek Macedonian Association did not pay the import duties/taxes. They asked for an exemption. It was denied, and so the Greek Macedonian Association tried desperately to raise the money to pay these import levies, but did not have enough time, and so the boats were confiscated and sold/or destroyed.


I would also like you to address the above Oracle. The Greek Diaspora even sends yachts for handicapped children. So all in all, I would say, Greece could have given a small token donation to Australia, because I can tell you, that this would have meant a great deal to the Greek Diaspora, and Australian politicians would've recognized that token gesture, resulting in Greece receiving ten fold more assistance from Australia when needed.

You are in fact correct to say that we are not comparing like for like. Greece has a much higher obligation to Australia and the Greek Diaspora than the other way around. But what the Greek Diaspora has proven, is the fact that they and Australia have far more dignity and compassion than Greeks in Greece and the Republic of Greece. What they have proven is that they stand tall, with head up high. What a shame Greece can't say the same thing.

This proves that perhaps Australians have more right to associated with Hellenism than the barbarians of Greece!
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:14 pm

Oracle wrote:
Paphitis wrote:What else do you expect from a country that used and abused many GC refugees that went to Athens. We heard about GR's story, and my in laws paint a very similar picture.


No country in the 70s had the resources and structures to help refugees adequately in emergencies. GR! is just latching on to an easy excuse with which to fob-off revealing reasons for his anti-Greek stance. [That's not to say he didn't suffer, even in the aftermath, as I know he and his family did/do suffer greatly -- but this isn't the main reason why GR! is critical of Greece]


Bullshit! About 10,000 GC refugees migrated to Australia in 1974 and 1975!

Far less would have gone to Greece, and they were still mistreated.
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Postby Talisker » Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:44 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Epiktitos wrote:Image

A woman weeps during the deportation of the Jews of Ioannina on March 25, 1944. The deportation was enforced by the German army. Almost all of the people deported were murdered on or shortly after April 11, 1944, when the train carrying them reached Auschwitz-Berkinau.

I no longer look at WWII photos in the same way that I did in the past because today I know that the Jews turned out to be as bad if not worse than the Nazis once they had attained power.

These days when I see pictures of Jews in concentration camps, etc, I can’t help but think to myself… “I guess Hitler knew something about the Jews that the rest didn’t…”

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Postby Oracle » Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:12 pm

Paphitis wrote:
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Paphitis wrote:What else do you expect from a country that used and abused many GC refugees that went to Athens. We heard about GR's story, and my in laws paint a very similar picture.


No country in the 70s had the resources and structures to help refugees adequately in emergencies. GR! is just latching on to an easy excuse with which to fob-off revealing reasons for his anti-Greek stance. [That's not to say he didn't suffer, even in the aftermath, as I know he and his family did/do suffer greatly -- but this isn't the main reason why GR! is critical of Greece]


Bullshit! About 10,000 GC refugees migrated to Australia in 1974 and 1975!

Far less would have gone to Greece, and they were still mistreated.


You are getting mixed up with the immediate aftermath of refugees spilling into an unprepared and tumultuous Greece (of July/August/September 1974) with the lengthier preparations taken for proper immigration to Australia.

Again, you seem unable/unwilling to compare like-for-like.
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Postby Linichka » Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:55 pm

"These days when I see pictures of Jews in concentration camps, etc, I can’t help but think to myself… “I guess Hitler knew something about the Jews that the rest didn’t…”

I'm sure you would have been a devout follower of the Fuhrer, Get fucking Real.
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Postby Talisker » Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:20 pm

Credit where credit is due (pardon the pun!)..........

Greece debt: EU agrees bailout deal
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ma ... ce-bailout
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