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[B25]

Why do you GCs find it difficult to understand that you are not trusted? Thats why guarantees are necessary.

Why do you Cyprus Turks find it difficult to understand that Turkey is not trusted? That's why Russia's guarantee, and intervention rights in Turkey, are necessary.

And who is going to guarantee that Russia will not misuse her guarantee rights in Turkey...

Hi Bir,

I am off the topic with Russia as a guarantor...

Since you are one of the better TC posters on CF, I would like to ask you this:

Why the TCs don't trust the EU to guarantee the peace in Cyprus via a special force to be assign on the island comprised of several EU members?

Please try to provide me a reasonable explanation. The way that I see it, Cyprus is European land now, so who else can do a better job than the Europeans themselves, protecting their own land? I don't think an EU force will be bias against either community.

Georgios100

Georgio,the answer lies in the recent past...During the dark years between 63-74 the TCs were essentially left to survive whichever way they could...Not even Turkey came to their aid physically...Then in 1974 when the coup happened and the murdering thug Sampson was declared President,the TCs were afraid of the worst...They were sure that had Sampson the time to consolidate his rule,the TCs would be his next target,and he would not be taking any prisoners...Ecevit,the Turkish PM at the time, flew to England and tried to convince them they should have a joint Turkish-English intervention to restore the independence and sovereignty of the RoC...The Brits didn't want to have anything to do with it...Hence the unilateral Turkish action followed...Everything that happened since 1974(non-recognition by the UN,the isolation and the embargoes etc) reinforced the TC belief that they have only ONE friend in this world and that is Turkey...That is why they will not trust anybody else with their lives...

Yeah, and all the while they want the RoC passports and IDs to get the EU benefits and Turkey trying despereately to get into the EU and you don't trust the EU. Classic Joke that one Bir. You want turkey because you don't want to lose the chance of your stranglehold on Cyprus, nothing more nothing less.

Hypocrite

[BirKibrisli]

Why do you GCs find it difficult to understand that you are not trusted? Thats why guarantees are necessary.

Why do you Cyprus Turks find it difficult to understand that Turkey is not trusted? That's why Russia's guarantee, and intervention rights in Turkey, are necessary.

And who is going to guarantee that Russia will not misuse her guarantee rights in Turkey...

Hi Bir,

I am off the topic with Russia as a guarantor...

Since you are one of the better TC posters on CF, I would like to ask you this:

Why the TCs don't trust the EU to guarantee the peace in Cyprus via a special force to be assign on the island comprised of several EU members?

Please try to provide me a reasonable explanation. The way that I see it, Cyprus is European land now, so who else can do a better job than the Europeans themselves, protecting their own land? I don't think an EU force will be bias against either community.

Georgios100

Georgio,the answer lies in the recent past...During the dark years between 63-74 the TCs were essentially left to survive whichever way they could...Not even Turkey came to their aid physically...Then in 1974 when the coup happened and the murdering thug Sampson was declared President,the TCs were afraid of the worst...They were sure that had Sampson the time to consolidate his rule,the TCs would be his next target,and he would not be taking any prisoners...Ecevit,the Turkish PM at the time, flew to England and tried to convince them they should have a joint Turkish-English intervention to restore the independence and sovereignty of the RoC...The Brits didn't want to have anything to do with it...Hence the unilateral Turkish action followed...Everything that happened since 1974(non-recognition by the UN,the isolation and the embargoes etc) reinforced the TC belief that they have only ONE friend in this world and that is Turkey...That is why they will not trust anybody else with their lives...

Yeah, and all the while they want the RoC passports and IDs to get the EU benefits and Turkey trying despereately to get into the EU and you don't trust the EU. Classic Joke that one Bir. You want turkey because you don't want to lose the chance of your stranglehold on Cyprus, nothing more nothing less.

Hypocrite

Georgio has asked me a question,and I tried to answer as honestly as I could...If the answer is not to your liking,I am sorry,B25...

The TCs have a right to ROC passports...Their share in the RoC government was stolen back in 1963...Giving them a passport is the least the RoC can do for your compatriots...Turkey is not desperately trying to get into the EU...I keep telling you,it is the last thing the AKP government wants,because that would be the end of their dream of turning Turkey into an Islamic republic...One day you will remember these words,and regret not listening to me...As soon as Erdogan feels totally safe from the Turkish Military he will abandon any pretence of wanting to join the EU...Keep a close eye on the political events unfolding in Turkey as we speak...The key to Cyprus' future lies there...So is the key to the secular Republic of Turkey...

[YFred]

Why do you GCs find it difficult to understand that you are not trusted? Thats why guarantees are necessary.

Why do you Cyprus Turks find it difficult to understand that Turkey is not trusted? That's why Russia's guarantee, and intervention rights in Turkey, are necessary.

And who is going to guarantee that Russia will not misuse her guarantee rights in Turkey...

Hi Bir,

I am off the topic with Russia as a guarantor...

Since you are one of the better TC posters on CF, I would like to ask you this:

Why the TCs don't trust the EU to guarantee the peace in Cyprus via a special force to be assign on the island comprised of several EU members?

Please try to provide me a reasonable explanation. The way that I see it, Cyprus is European land now, so who else can do a better job than the Europeans themselves, protecting their own land? I don't think an EU force will be bias against either community.

Georgios100

Georgio,the answer lies in the recent past...During the dark years between 63-74 the TCs were essentially left to survive whichever way they could...Not even Turkey came to their aid physically...Then in 1974 when the coup happened and the murdering thug Sampson was declared President,the TCs were afraid of the worst...They were sure that had Sampson the time to consolidate his rule,the TCs would be his next target,and he would not be taking any prisoners...Ecevit,the Turkish PM at the time, flew to England and tried to convince them they should have a joint Turkish-English intervention to restore the independence and sovereignty of the RoC...The Brits didn't want to have anything to do with it...Hence the unilateral Turkish action followed...Everything that happened since 1974(non-recognition by the UN,the isolation and the embargoes etc) reinforced the TC belief that they have only ONE friend in this world and that is Turkey...That is why they will not trust anybody else with their lives...

Yeah, and all the while they want the RoC passports and IDs to get the EU benefits and Turkey trying despereately to get into the EU and you don't trust the EU. Classic Joke that one Bir. You want turkey because you don't want to lose the chance of your stranglehold on Cyprus, nothing more nothing less.

Hypocrite

Assikdir pushdo pezzevenkis.
If you have the balls take them away. You pretend you have given them but its because you had to, prick features.

I dare you to take them away, what?

[wyoming cowboy]

How about all Gc and Tc opening up their mind and coming out of the box, thats been wrapped around both communities for since 1960....After a true Federation is established on Cyprus with two constituent states, The idea that its in the self interest of both states to function under the rule of law, will be Cyprus's guarantee.....It would be in the Tc states self interest to abide by the agreements signed, for it will need massive amounts of funding in order to rebuild its infrastructure, The Gc states self interest will be to continue its growth and development , And Cyprus will need a strong Federal government to organize both endeavours...Both the GC and Tc will look towards Europe for guidance and support....This thing about guarantors is an antiquated idea, for todays world..The stability thats been shown in European countries over this past half century should be enough to guarantee that a united Cyprus will also be stable...In other words, its pointless to even have a guarantor power thinking that it will promote and ensure stability because it didnt in the past or the present.

why not just have Nato be the guarantor of Cyprus....

Why the hell Nato? Nato is the one that cause the troubles in the first place, trying to bring Cyprus into Nato via the back door, by engineering the coup and getting Turkey to intervene.
So we are going to have the wolf looking after the flock are we? Like hell.
UN is incapable and Nato is unacceptable.
It has to be Guarantee by Turkey till TCs are confident to release her from her duties and then it is demilitarisation. That's the only way forward.
GR has band of reprobates have to be handcuffed from that point onwards too.
However Oracle will only need her mouth taped.

[SKI-preo]

The guarantee has nothing to do with "trust". Maybe it is better that Turkish CYpriots are honest and sincere and just say it straight out. They want leverage for more benefits and privileges. Then we can just focus on giving them certain rights and privileges in exchange for cooperation. If we become their sugar daddy they will cooperate. We have to become a more generous sugar daddy than Mother Turkey if we want a half decent solution. More carrot less stick. Then maybe we can enjoy summers in Kyrenia with our privileged Turkish Cypriot friends. They will be too comfortable and well fed to blow things up.

[Get Real!]

The CNG is STILL the best and only guarantee this country has ever had!

Long live the CNG!

http://www.army.gov.cy/

[SKI-preo]

CNG Compact Natural Gas. Too many legumes.

[Get Real!]

CNG Compact Natural Gas. Too many legumes.

Fie re pissy, brodoti, tsie axriste bou dame!

[CBBB]

CNG Compact Natural Gas. Too many legumes.

I think you will find it is Compressed Natural Gas. KEO produces a lot of it.

[Paphitis]

CNG Compact Natural Gas. Too many legumes.

I didn't mean to laugh but couldn't help it. What a ripper!