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[Malapapa]

why would russia be a garantore power?

They'll be flattered.

they would laugh and never be interested in a million years,

Are you sure? They might like the opportunity to extend their sphere of influence and protect their interests in this part of the world.

plus why would we even want them to be a garantore?;p

Because they'd make Cypriots feel safe because they'd make Turkey feel intimidated.

[Viewpoint]

If Im using agression against GCs what good would Russia going into Turkey do when there is no problem in Turkey? we would jus continue. The whole idea of guarantees is to step in and resolve matters here on the island the point you are trying to make does not hold water, the guarantees are for the island and each chosen guarantor can only have equal rights to intervene in the state they guarantee.

[georgios100]

Guys, Guys... now listen

Why don't we look at Europe as a guarantor! Let's put Russia, USA, Chine aside for now.

Europe can assemble a force from a blend of it's members (Swedish, Finnish, Danish etc) and assign them in 4-6 sectors of the island to keep the peace.

What better guarantor than Europe it self. After all, Cyprus is European land now!!! Perhaps Europe can pick-up the bill too or part of it.

Why would Turkey intervene? The European troops can handle it!!!

Security for all Cypriots is done. Move on to the next issue please...

Georgios100

[Malapapa]

If Im using agression against GCs what good would Russia going into Turkey do when there is no problem in Turkey? we would jus continue. The whole idea of guarantees is to step in and resolve matters here on the island the point you are trying to make does not hold water, the guarantees are for the island and each chosen guarantor can only have equal rights to intervene in the state they guarantee.

Free Cypriots don't need any guarantees on their own island. They feel safe on their island.

They need guarantees against a known foreign invader: Turkey. And if Russia can intervene in Turkey, Turkey will think twice before intervening again in Cyprus. Don't you want free Cypriots to feel safe?

[Malapapa]

Guys, Guys... now listen

Why don't we look at Europe as a guarantor! Let's put Russia, USA, Chine aside for now.

Europe can assemble a force from a blend of it's members (Swedish, Finnish, Danish etc) and assign them in 4-6 sectors of the island to keep the peace.

What better guarantor than Europe it self. After all, Cyprus is European land now!!! Perhaps Europe can pick-up the bill too or part of it.

Why would Turkey intervene? The European troops can handle it!!!

Security for all Cypriots is done. Move on to the next issue please...

Georgios100

This will not go down well with your average TC. The last thing he wants is for Turkey to be sidelined from Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

If Im using agression against GCs what good would Russia going into Turkey do when there is no problem in Turkey? we would jus continue. The whole idea of guarantees is to step in and resolve matters here on the island the point you are trying to make does not hold water, the guarantees are for the island and each chosen guarantor can only have equal rights to intervene in the state they guarantee.

Free Cypriots don't need any guarantees on their own island. They feel safe on their island.

They need guarantees against a known foreign invader: Turkey. And if Russia can intervene in Turkey, Turkey will think twice before intervening again in Cyprus. Don't you want free Cypriots to feel safe?

Now you ae being silly what good would Russian intervention so in Turkey when the problems would be erupting here, would Russia allow Turkey intervention rights to Russia? me thinks not so you can only have a guarantor that will intervene here on the island anything else is ridiculous, I am not denying you this right why do you wnat to deny me? The protection cannot be lop sided if your choice is Russia and ours Turkey they they both have equal rights to intervene here on the island in a time of crisis.

[Viewpoint]

Guys, Guys... now listen

Why don't we look at Europe as a guarantor! Let's put Russia, USA, Chine aside for now.

Europe can assemble a force from a blend of it's members (Swedish, Finnish, Danish etc) and assign them in 4-6 sectors of the island to keep the peace.

What better guarantor than Europe it self. After all, Cyprus is European land now!!! Perhaps Europe can pick-up the bill too or part of it.

Why would Turkey intervene? The European troops can handle it!!!

Security for all Cypriots is done. Move on to the next issue please...

Georgios100

We do not trust the EU with our security.

[georgios100]

Guys, Guys... now listen

Why don't we look at Europe as a guarantor! Let's put Russia, USA, Chine aside for now.

Europe can assemble a force from a blend of it's members (Swedish, Finnish, Danish etc) and assign them in 4-6 sectors of the island to keep the peace.

What better guarantor than Europe it self. After all, Cyprus is European land now!!! Perhaps Europe can pick-up the bill too or part of it.

Why would Turkey intervene? The European troops can handle it!!!

Security for all Cypriots is done. Move on to the next issue please...

Georgios100

We do not trust the EU with our security.

Viewpoint, this is your personal opinion... yes? I am sure other TC's may not share this. Your leaders may not agree with you either.

You want to join EU but don't trust EU? Turkey wants to join the EU but don't trust the EU? I don't get it... Am I missing something here? Later, when Turkey joins the EU will dare to invade Cyprus again? In essence, invade Europe? Do you think Europe is going to stand idle to this action?

Be serious. If you want to join EU you must trust EU. The European force stationed in Cyprus will guarantee real and unbiased security, will not take sides or discriminate amongst Cypriots.

Think "European" when trying to become European...

Georgios100

[Viewpoint]

Guys, Guys... now listen

Why don't we look at Europe as a guarantor! Let's put Russia, USA, Chine aside for now.

Europe can assemble a force from a blend of it's members (Swedish, Finnish, Danish etc) and assign them in 4-6 sectors of the island to keep the peace.

What better guarantor than Europe it self. After all, Cyprus is European land now!!! Perhaps Europe can pick-up the bill too or part of it.

Why would Turkey intervene? The European troops can handle it!!!

Security for all Cypriots is done. Move on to the next issue please...

Georgios100

We do not trust the EU with our security.

Viewpoint, this is your personal opinion... yes? I am sure other TC's may not share this. Your leaders may not agree with you either.

You want to join EU but don't trust EU? Turkey wants to join the EU but don't trust the EU? I don't get it... Am I missing something here? Later, when Turkey joins the EU will dare to invade Cyprus again? In essence, invade Europe? Do you think Europe is going to stand idle to this action?

Be serious. If you want to join EU you must trust EU. The European force stationed in Cyprus will guarantee real and unbiased security, will not take sides or discriminate amongst Cypriots.

Think "European" when trying to become European...

Georgios100

Do you know the difference between economic stability and security? they are two totally different issues. The EU doesn't even have an army or any mechanism that could or would intervene in times of crisis. (Plus I am not personally a fan of the EU).

[Malapapa]

If Im using agression against GCs what good would Russia going into Turkey do when there is no problem in Turkey? we would jus continue. The whole idea of guarantees is to step in and resolve matters here on the island the point you are trying to make does not hold water, the guarantees are for the island and each chosen guarantor can only have equal rights to intervene in the state they guarantee.

Free Cypriots don't need any guarantees on their own island. They feel safe on their island.

They need guarantees against a known foreign invader: Turkey. And if Russia can intervene in Turkey, Turkey will think twice before intervening again in Cyprus. Don't you want free Cypriots to feel safe?

Now you ae being silly what good would Russian intervention so in Turkey when the problems would be erupting here, would Russia allow Turkey intervention rights to Russia?

What for?

me thinks not so you can only have a guarantor that will intervene here on the island anything else is ridiculous, I am not denying you this right why do you wnat to deny me?

I'm not. I'm saying Turkey can have intervention rights in Cyprus if Russia has the same rights in Turkey to curb Turkish aggression. Why do you want to deny me?

The protection cannot be lop sided if your choice is Russia and ours Turkey they they both have equal rights to intervene here on the island in a time of crisis.

No. Cypriots don't need Russia in Cyprus. Cypriots don't need any foreign armies on Cyprus. The offer is this: Turkey has the right to intervene in Cyprus, only if Russia has the right to intervene in Turkey. To make Cypriots feel safe that Turkey won't abuse her power.

Alternatively, Turkey doesn't have the right to intervene in Cyprus, and Russia doesn't have the right to intervene in Turkey. Which is even more preferable.