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[Kikapu]

In order to address your concerns I am willing to accept Russia in response to your accepting Turkey do we have a deal?

VP, there won't be any troops on the ground. Just on paper. The intervention will come ONLY if Cypriot security forces are unable to deal with the Fascists causing problems, in which time, Russia and Turkey (if they should be chosen and accepted by both sides) can act together to kick the Fascists butts and then go back to their own countries the next day.

Somehow, I don't think the Americans will want the Russians in Cyprus, so I think the whole deal will be off. On the other hand, if the USA were to recognise the north at some point in the never never future, then the RoC will bring the Russians and the Chinese in, so right there, I don't see how the USA can ever recognise the north.!

[Malapapa]

why would russia be a garantore power?

They'll be flattered.

[Viewpoint]

Looks like you are now renegging on our deal, your guarantor rights for Russia are only in your state on the island like Turkeys will be for our state.....why on earth would we want Turkey and Russia to have rights to intervene in each others countries when the troubles would in Cyprus?

[Malapapa]

In order to address your concerns I am willing to accept Russia in response to your accepting Turkey do we have a deal?

VP, there won't be any troops on the ground. Just on paper. The intervention will come ONLY if Cypriot security forces are unable to deal with the Fascists causing problems, in which time, Russia and Turkey (if they should be chosen and accepted by both sides) can act together to kick the Fascists butts and then go back to their own countries the next day.

Somehow, I don't think the Americans will want the Russians in Cyprus, so I think the whole deal will be off.

No, kiks. We won't have this problem with America. Because Russia will be given intervention rights in Turkey. To make Cypriots feel safe.

[Malapapa]

Looks like you are now renegging on our deal, your guarantor rights for Russia are only in your state on the island like Turkeys will be for our state.....

No, VP. Free Cypriots need to feel safe from Turkey's aggression - which won't happen of course because we're now moving forward and looking to the future, according to Erdogan. So this Russian guarantee, is to make free Cypriots feel safe. In the same way that Turkey's right to intervene in Cyprus will make Cyprus Turks feel safe. You know and I know this won't happen. It's just about everyone feeling safe.

why on earth would we want Turkey and Russia to have rights to intervene in each others countries when the troubles would in Cyprus?

No. Turkey will have no right to intervene in Russia. Russia will have no right to intervene in Cyprus. Russia will have the right to intervene in Turkey, the way Turkey has the right to intervene in Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

Looks like you are now renegging on our deal, your guarantor rights for Russia are only in your state on the island like Turkeys will be for our state.....

No, VP. Free Cypriots need to feel safe from Turkey's aggression - which won't happen of course because we're now moving forward and looking to the future, according to Erdogan. So this Russian guarantee, is to make free Cypriots feel safe. In the same way that Turkey's right to intervene in Cyprus will make Cyprus Turks feel safe. You know and I know this won't happen. It's just about everyone feeling safe.

why on earth would we want Turkey and Russia to have rights to intervene in each others countries when the troubles would in Cyprus?

No. Turkey will have no right to intervene in Russia. Russia will have no right to intervene in Cyprus. Russia will have the right to intervene in Turkey, the way Turkey has the right to intervene in Cyprus.

The Turks are not the ones who need protection from GCs, you are twisting the matter to suit your own ends, the rights should be equal not lop sided as you are trying to make it. 2 guarantor powers allowed to intervene if things should go wrong nothing to do with Turkey entering Russia or Russians entering Turkey, its the island that will need intervention.

[Malapapa]

Looks like you are now renegging on our deal, your guarantor rights for Russia are only in your state on the island like Turkeys will be for our state.....

No, VP. Free Cypriots need to feel safe from Turkey's aggression - which won't happen of course because we're now moving forward and looking to the future, according to Erdogan. So this Russian guarantee, is to make free Cypriots feel safe. In the same way that Turkey's right to intervene in Cyprus will make Cyprus Turks feel safe. You know and I know this won't happen. It's just about everyone feeling safe.

why on earth would we want Turkey and Russia to have rights to intervene in each others countries when the troubles would in Cyprus?

No. Turkey will have no right to intervene in Russia. Russia will have no right to intervene in Cyprus. Russia will have the right to intervene in Turkey, the way Turkey has the right to intervene in Cyprus.

The Turks are not the ones who need protection from GCs,

Of course not. The Cypriots need protection from the Turks.

you are twisting the matter to suit your own ends, the rights should be equal not lop sided as you are trying to make it. 2 guarantor powers allowed to intervene if things should go wrong nothing to do with Turkey entering Russia or Russians entering Turkey, its the island that will need intervention.

I was very clear what I said from the start.

So if Turkey oversteps the mark in Cyprus, Russia would be duty bound to intervene, if needs be in Turkey..

If Turkey has intervention rights in Cyprus, Cyprus's guarantor must have intervention rights in Turkey. It's only fair.

After all, we all need to feel safe.

What are you worried about, if Turkey's intentions in Cyprus are honourable what have they to fear from the Russians? Who are only guaranteeing the safety of Cypriots.

[Viewpoint]

You or I do not have any right to allow intervention in any other country only our own if Turkey is my protection on the island then you only have a right on the island nowhere else so your choice is now Russia you only have a right to allow them to intervene here on the island if things should go wrong.

[paliometoxo]

why would russia be a garantore power?

They'll be flattered.

they would laugh and never be interested in a million years, plus why would we even want them to be a garantore?;p

[Malapapa]

You or I do not have any right to allow intervention in any other country only our own if Turkey is my protection on the island then you only have a right on the island nowhere else so your choice is now Russia you only have a right to allow them to intervene here on the island if things should go wrong.

If Turkey has the right to intervene in Cyprus - to make Cyprus Turks feel safe against aggression from Cypriots, why can't Russia have the right to intervene in Turkey - to make Cypriots feel safe against aggression from Turks?

Turkey is a foreign country and yet you insist it can intervene in Cyprus. Russia is a foreign country and I insist it can intervene in Turkey. If the Turks don't like it then they know exactly why the Cypriots don't like it either in their country.

But if they insist on it for Cyprus then why can't Cypriots insist on it for Turkey?

Or you can just see how ridiculous this whole guarantee thing is and just get on with it without guarantees...