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Kikapus plan equals TC capitulation

[Kikapu]

Kikapus plan equals TC capitulation

And DTA was questioning me as to what makes me think that you are a NeoPartitionist, even though you agree to a BBF.!

Here you go DTA. For VP, nothing but a Confederation, Undemocratic, Human Rights violation, International Law violation, and rejection of the EU Principles will do.!

Anymore questions, DTA, on VP's intentions.?

[Viewpoint]

DTA you can read for yourself Kikapu capitulation plan and decide how it pushes us into minority status in a GC state but the very important issue here is Kikapu disguised underhand plan that would in a very short time hand over our future fully into the sole hands of our "compatriots".

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dp

[wyoming cowboy]

guAratees are a deterrant and will ensure both sides to the agreement.

Unfortunately, Turkey has a bad record of being a guarantor, therefore she can't be trusted to do the right thing. The same goes to Greece and Britain. Using the past experience of guarantors, say Turkey's for instance, it will embolden the fascists and the NeoPartitionists from the north to cause trouble just to invite Turkey to come and divide the island again, except this time, the state lines would have been already drawn in a BBF agreement, and a member of the EU, the north can then declare to become an independent state. So in short, guarantorship is not a deterrent, but an invitation to divide the island, trouble caused by the Fascist NeoPartitionist. That is the reason why the GCs will not agree to Turkeys guardianship, because Turkey was supposed to be a guarantor to all Cypriots, but turns out, they only been a guarantor to occupying north of the island in the name of the TCs, or more commonly known today as the "Turks of Cyprus". Sorry VP, but you are not going to convince the GCs to accept Turkey after all she done in Cyprus, and all that she did not do, that she should have done. All the Fascist NeoPartitionists can't wait to have the GCs agree for Turkey to be a guarantor so that they can go and blow up their own kids schools and put the blame on the Gcs, just to invite Turkey to come in. That game has already been played and everyone can see right through the Fascist NeoPartitionist.

So do you think we will just give in to this demand and leave ourselves exposed, noway with no TA element in a solution you can forget it we would rather stay as we are, yet again you show how little you know the TCs.

There is no way a United Cyprus should have any guarantors, the only guarantor will be the rule of law, The Tc or cyprus turks or tc cyprus turks or what ever they call themselves, Under the umbrella of a Federal and state system both communities will adhere to the rule of law since it is in their best interest.....The Tc wanting Turkey as a guarantor power only shows their lack of faith with any system in Cyprus, they would rather have a fascist invading army protecting them, and would rather give up their freedoms for the illusion of security, in the end whoever gives up their freedoms for security will usually get neither.

[YFred]

guAratees are a deterrant and will ensure both sides to the agreement.

Unfortunately, Turkey has a bad record of being a guarantor, therefore she can't be trusted to do the right thing. The same goes to Greece and Britain. Using the past experience of guarantors, say Turkey's for instance, it will embolden the fascists and the NeoPartitionists from the north to cause trouble just to invite Turkey to come and divide the island again, except this time, the state lines would have been already drawn in a BBF agreement, and a member of the EU, the north can then declare to become an independent state. So in short, guarantorship is not a deterrent, but an invitation to divide the island, trouble caused by the Fascist NeoPartitionist. That is the reason why the GCs will not agree to Turkeys guardianship, because Turkey was supposed to be a guarantor to all Cypriots, but turns out, they only been a guarantor to occupying north of the island in the name of the TCs, or more commonly known today as the "Turks of Cyprus". Sorry VP, but you are not going to convince the GCs to accept Turkey after all she done in Cyprus, and all that she did not do, that she should have done. All the Fascist NeoPartitionists can't wait to have the GCs agree for Turkey to be a guarantor so that they can go and blow up their own kids schools and put the blame on the Gcs, just to invite Turkey to come in. That game has already been played and everyone can see right through the Fascist NeoPartitionist.

So do you think we will just give in to this demand and leave ourselves exposed, noway with no TA element in a solution you can forget it we would rather stay as we are, yet again you show how little you know the TCs.

There is no way a United Cyprus should have any guarantors, the only guarantor will be the rule of law, The Tc or cyprus turks or tc cyprus turks or what ever they call themselves, Under the umbrella of a Federal and state system both communities will adhere to the rule of law since it is in their best interest.....The Tc wanting Turkey as a guarantor power only shows their lack of faith with any system in Cyprus, they would rather have a fascist invading army protecting them, and would rather give up their freedoms for the illusion of security, in the end whoever gives up their freedoms for security will usually get neither.

WC do you not realise what you are saying. If you are not prepared to accept the guarantee that has been signed and sealed, the only way around it is two countries.

[YFred]

guAratees are a deterrant and will ensure both sides to the agreement.

Unfortunately, Turkey has a bad record of being a guarantor, therefore she can't be trusted to do the right thing. The same goes to Greece and Britain. Using the past experience of guarantors, say Turkey's for instance, it will embolden the fascists and the NeoPartitionists from the north to cause trouble just to invite Turkey to come and divide the island again, except this time, the state lines would have been already drawn in a BBF agreement, and a member of the EU, the north can then declare to become an independent state. So in short, guarantorship is not a deterrent, but an invitation to divide the island, trouble caused by the Fascist NeoPartitionist. That is the reason why the GCs will not agree to Turkeys guardianship, because Turkey was supposed to be a guarantor to all Cypriots, but turns out, they only been a guarantor to occupying north of the island in the name of the TCs, or more commonly known today as the "Turks of Cyprus". Sorry VP, but you are not going to convince the GCs to accept Turkey after all she done in Cyprus, and all that she did not do, that she should have done. All the Fascist NeoPartitionists can't wait to have the GCs agree for Turkey to be a guarantor so that they can go and blow up their own kids schools and put the blame on the Gcs, just to invite Turkey to come in. That game has already been played and everyone can see right through the Fascist NeoPartitionist.

So do you think we will just give in to this demand and leave ourselves exposed, noway with no TA element in a solution you can forget it we would rather stay as we are, yet again you show how little you know the TCs.

There is no way a United Cyprus should have any guarantors, the only guarantor will be the rule of law, The Tc or cyprus turks or tc cyprus turks or what ever they call themselves, Under the umbrella of a Federal and state system both communities will adhere to the rule of law since it is in their best interest.....The Tc wanting Turkey as a guarantor power only shows their lack of faith with any system in Cyprus, they would rather have a fascist invading army protecting them, and would rather give up their freedoms for the illusion of security, in the end whoever gives up their freedoms for security will usually get neither.

So how will this rule of law be implemented differently from 1963. There was rule of law then too, but got ignored by the majority. You see we had system that actually worked and protected TC interests against what you call true democracy and I call 5 year dictatorship. Yo cannot get away from the fact that a so called normal 5 year majority dictatorial democracy aint viable here. Get over it. When TCs have complete confidence in the intentions of the GCs perhaps then you can persuade them to do otherwise, but what would be the point. You never live without an insurance policy and the TCs will never give up theirs. It really cannot be any easier to understand.

[Kikapu]

DTA you can read for yourself Kikapu capitulation plan and decide how it pushes us into minority status in a GC state but the very important issue here is Kikapu disguised underhand plan that would in a very short time hand over our future fully into the sole hands of our "compatriots".

I really believe Kikapu will have bigger problems selling this to the GCsi are there any that would like to comment seems to be a lck of them when anything is out forward by a TC. Would GCs agree to such a structure which is nearer to the AP.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... sc&start=0

Of course, once VP found out that it was not anything like the AP and that substantial land would need to be returned to become part of the GC state, my BBF plan no longer suited him, just because he is a NeoPartitionist.!

VP is as transparent as a live shrimp in water.!

[Viewpoint]

Your trick was to camaflouge the dangers TCs would face if they were foolish enough to adopt Kikapus capitulation plan. So basically you tried to sell us out.

[YFred]

Your trick was to camaflouge the dangers TCs would face if they were foolish enough to adopt Kikapus capitulation plan. So basically you tried to sell us out.

VP, Kickapu is more decent then that. He was not selling us, he was giving us away. What was his reccomendation? 5% for the TRNC? Yeah right.