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[Viewpoint]

guAratees are a deterrant and will ensure both sides to the agreement.

Unfortunately, Turkey has a bad record of being a guarantor, therefore she can't be trusted to do the right thing. The same goes to Greece and Britain. Using the past experience of guarantors, say Turkey's for instance, it will embolden the fascists and the NeoPartitionists from the north to cause trouble just to invite Turkey to come and divide the island again, except this time, the state lines would have been already drawn in a BBF agreement, and a member of the EU, the north can then declare to become an independent state. So in short, guarantorship is not a deterrent, but an invitation to divide the island, trouble caused by the Fascist NeoPartitionist. That is the reason why the GCs will not agree to Turkeys guardianship, because Turkey was supposed to be a guarantor to all Cypriots, but turns out, they only been a guarantor to occupying north of the island in the name of the TCs, or more commonly known today as the "Turks of Cyprus". Sorry VP, but you are not going to convince the GCs to accept Turkey after all she done in Cyprus, and all that she did not do, that she should have done. All the Fascist NeoPartitionists can't wait to have the GCs agree for Turkey to be a guarantor so that they can go and blow up their own kids schools and put the blame on the Gcs, just to invite Turkey to come in. That game has already been played and everyone can see right through the Fascist NeoPartitionist.

So do you think we will just give in to this demand and leave ourselves exposed, noway with no TA element in a solution you can forget it we would rather stay as we are, yet again you show how little you know the TCs.

[Byron]

guAratees are a deterrant and will ensure both sides to the agreement.

Deterrant to what ?

[Byron]

To accept any form of guarantee from anycountry implies that there is no real wish for unity in Cyprus. 36 years of division tells the truth.

Agreed! Please tell that to the MF Turks who are insisting on having the invader guarantee us. You might as well put the fox to guard the chickens FFS.

No pint in telling them, it is like talking to a brick wall the sooner we realise it the better, unfortunately we cannot return to what was before !

[Byron]

Turkey wants to make sure the island is never used as a base from which to attack it. Though that kind of thinking may be outdated you have to remember this is a country that was occupied from all corners less than a century ago.

For us Turkish Cypriots, we want guarantees as a last resort, as a detterent should the Greeks of Cyprus, or fanatics among them, feel the urge to use their numerical superiority against us.

The point about Russia and China is they have nothing to gain by being guarantors for Greek Cypriots, the island is of little strategic value to them and they would never use any of their resources to protect something which does not benefit them in some way.

What about a deterrant to GC from fanatical TCs, remember you are the invading force or have you forgotten.

[kurupetos]

guAratees are a deterrant and will ensure both sides to the agreement.

Been there, seen that, done that. No, thanks.

You have no choice, if the TCs called your bluff and returned to the 1960 agreements the guarantees would still be in place.

What bluff?

[Kikapu]

guAratees are a deterrant and will ensure both sides to the agreement.

Unfortunately, Turkey has a bad record of being a guarantor, therefore she can't be trusted to do the right thing. The same goes to Greece and Britain. Using the past experience of guarantors, say Turkey's for instance, it will embolden the fascists and the NeoPartitionists from the north to cause trouble just to invite Turkey to come and divide the island again, except this time, the state lines would have been already drawn in a BBF agreement, and a member of the EU, the north can then declare to become an independent state. So in short, guarantorship is not a deterrent, but an invitation to divide the island, trouble caused by the Fascist NeoPartitionist. That is the reason why the GCs will not agree to Turkeys guardianship, because Turkey was supposed to be a guarantor to all Cypriots, but turns out, they only been a guarantor to occupying north of the island in the name of the TCs, or more commonly known today as the "Turks of Cyprus". Sorry VP, but you are not going to convince the GCs to accept Turkey after all she done in Cyprus, and all that she did not do, that she should have done. All the Fascist NeoPartitionists can't wait to have the GCs agree for Turkey to be a guarantor so that they can go and blow up their own kids schools and put the blame on the Gcs, just to invite Turkey to come in. That game has already been played and everyone can see right through the Fascist NeoPartitionist.

So do you think we will just give in to this demand and leave ourselves exposed, noway with no TA element in a solution you can forget it we would rather stay as we are, yet again you show how little you know the TCs.

I'm not the one you need to convince in what you want. You need to convince the GCs to accept what you want and they are telling you, "no way, Jose". The other option is for Turkey to get her act together so that she can become a EU member following EU Principles so that she can be trusted in what she does in Cyprus.

I know how the mind of a Fascism works, which is very dangerous. Add the NeoPartitionism to it, then you will have schools blown up to justify in bringing Turkey onto the island again, not that you ever want them to leave in the first place, which will make things easier for you to accomplished. You NeoPartitonist are just as dangerous as any GC ultra nationalist, so why do you think you can be trusted by having the TA to act as your own "Gunslinger", even when you yourself will cause the problems to keep your Taksim Dreams alive..??

[DTA]

guAratees are a deterrant and will ensure both sides to the agreement.

Unfortunately, Turkey has a bad record of being a guarantor, therefore she can't be trusted to do the right thing. The same goes to Greece and Britain. Using the past experience of guarantors, say Turkey's for instance, it will embolden the fascists and the NeoPartitionists from the north to cause trouble just to invite Turkey to come and divide the island again, except this time, the state lines would have been already drawn in a BBF agreement, and a member of the EU, the north can then declare to become an independent state. So in short, guarantorship is not a deterrent, but an invitation to divide the island, trouble caused by the Fascist NeoPartitionist. That is the reason why the GCs will not agree to Turkeys guardianship, because Turkey was supposed to be a guarantor to all Cypriots, but turns out, they only been a guarantor to occupying north of the island in the name of the TCs, or more commonly known today as the "Turks of Cyprus". Sorry VP, but you are not going to convince the GCs to accept Turkey after all she done in Cyprus, and all that she did not do, that she should have done. All the Fascist NeoPartitionists can't wait to have the GCs agree for Turkey to be a guarantor so that they can go and blow up their own kids schools and put the blame on the Gcs, just to invite Turkey to come in. That game has already been played and everyone can see right through the Fascist NeoPartitionist.

So do you think we will just give in to this demand and leave ourselves exposed, noway with no TA element in a solution you can forget it we would rather stay as we are, yet again you show how little you know the TCs.

I'm not the one you need to convince in what you want. You need to convince the GCs to accept what you want and they are telling you, "no way, Jose". The other option is for Turkey to get her act together so that she can become a EU member following EU Principles so that she can be trusted in what she does in Cyprus.

I know how the mind of a Fascism works, which is very dangerous. Add the NeoPartitionism to it, then you will have schools blown up to justify in bringing Turkey onto the island again, not that you ever want them to leave in the first place, which will make things easier for you to accomplished. You NeoPartitonist are just as dangerous as any GC ultra nationalist, so why do you think you can be trusted by having the TA to act as your own "Gunslinger", even when you yourself will cause the problems to keep your Taksim Dreams alive..??

Yo!!! what evidence do you have of Vp being a neo-partitionist? I have read his answers stating that he would support BBF.

Out of interest what would be your ideal solution to the cyprus problem?

Man up and dont duck the question?

[BirKibrisli]

guAratees are a deterrant and will ensure both sides to the agreement.

Unfortunately, Turkey has a bad record of being a guarantor, therefore she can't be trusted to do the right thing. The same goes to Greece and Britain. Using the past experience of guarantors, say Turkey's for instance, it will embolden the fascists and the NeoPartitionists from the north to cause trouble just to invite Turkey to come and divide the island again, except this time, the state lines would have been already drawn in a BBF agreement, and a member of the EU, the north can then declare to become an independent state. So in short, guarantorship is not a deterrent, but an invitation to divide the island, trouble caused by the Fascist NeoPartitionist. That is the reason why the GCs will not agree to Turkeys guardianship, because Turkey was supposed to be a guarantor to all Cypriots, but turns out, they only been a guarantor to occupying north of the island in the name of the TCs, or more commonly known today as the "Turks of Cyprus". Sorry VP, but you are not going to convince the GCs to accept Turkey after all she done in Cyprus, and all that she did not do, that she should have done. All the Fascist NeoPartitionists can't wait to have the GCs agree for Turkey to be a guarantor so that they can go and blow up their own kids schools and put the blame on the Gcs, just to invite Turkey to come in. That game has already been played and everyone can see right through the Fascist NeoPartitionist.

So do you think we will just give in to this demand and leave ourselves exposed, noway with no TA element in a solution you can forget it we would rather stay as we are, yet again you show how little you know the TCs.

I'm not the one you need to convince in what you want. You need to convince the GCs to accept what you want and they are telling you, "no way, Jose". The other option is for Turkey to get her act together so that she can become a EU member following EU Principles so that she can be trusted in what she does in Cyprus.

I know how the mind of a Fascism works, which is very dangerous. Add the NeoPartitionism to it, then you will have schools blown up to justify in bringing Turkey onto the island again, not that you ever want them to leave in the first place, which will make things easier for you to accomplished. You NeoPartitonist are just as dangerous as any GC ultra nationalist, so why do you think you can be trusted by having the TA to act as your own "Gunslinger", even when you yourself will cause the problems to keep your Taksim Dreams alive..??

Yo!!! what evidence do you have of Vp being a neo-partitionist? I have read his answers stating that he would support BBF.

Out of interest what would be your ideal solution to the cyprus problem?

Man up and dont duck the question?

Kikapu has a whole thread dedicated to solving the Cyprus problem,DTA...
Do not dismiss his posts lightly,even if you do not agree with him...
I would be interested to read your comments after you study his proposals below:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21685

[DTA]

Will do.

[DTA]

Will do.