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The Greek Problem: Turks in Cyprus.

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Oracle » Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:51 pm

BOF wrote:O. i suggest you watch David Dimbleby's excellent series the seven ages of Britain.. you might actually learn something of the turmoils of that country, one you lived in and in the middle of its historic area too, to broaden your horizons a bit wider that the old colonialists diatribe.
The oldest surviving complete Bible in the world was made by Monks in Jarrow.
The Bayeux tapestry was made in Canterbury by nuns after the norman conquest as a form of humiliation.
Did you know that one of the knights that murdered Thomas a Beckett Lived not far from your abode in the Cotswolds?
History is changing the more we find out the truth about it - that which we know isnt always so...
And your son is after all British..


Not just my son, but by 'virtue' of the British Empire, I too was born British. I'm not slating that which can't be helped. Tony didn't have to apologise for the slave trade. But, when I go into the "British Museum" for some history; guess what I am confronted with?

I love the Scots, the English, the Irish and Welsh (in no particular order :wink: ) of the British isles .... it's their mish-mash notion of Britishness which they get confused with, which irks.
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Postby Byron » Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:55 pm

paliometoxo wrote:nampou laleis?... malakies ;p

greeks are in greece and cypriots in cyprus

so the americans the australians many countries who use ENGLISH does that make them all from ENGLAND?:S


Such silly argurments, I suppose the Australians learn't English from the Aborigines ?
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Postby Byron » Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:57 pm

Get Real! wrote:Epiktitos, you are the one who is confused because it’s the Cypriots who speak “Greek” (<- it’s only a label) correctly and the Greeks who have come up with their own dialect of ancient Cypriot!

http://www.usc.edu/uscnews/stories/3208.html

When Cyprus and Cypriotism flourished and the Cypriots were the masters of the Mediterranean, countries like Greece and Turkey did not even exist!


Masters of the Mediterranean ! :lol: :lol:
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Postby Paphitis » Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:01 pm

Byron wrote:
paliometoxo wrote:nampou laleis?... malakies ;p

greeks are in greece and cypriots in cyprus

so the americans the australians many countries who use ENGLISH does that make them all from ENGLAND?:S


Such silly argurments, I suppose the Australians learn't English from the Aborigines ?


Yeh they did!

Do you have a problem with our Aboriginal heritage and culture?

Cyprus had people before Hellenic colonization and settlement, just like Australia had people before British settlement, hence the uniqueness of both the Cypriot and Australian identity!

Australians are different to Brits, as are Cypriots to Greeks!

Or are some Cypriots too stupid to form their own sense of belonging which embraces all? It does not have to exclude Hellenism, but have some respect to those Cypriots who have nothing to do or have nothing in common with our Hellenistic past.
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Postby wyoming cowboy » Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:16 pm

Then all you fit in well with allthe other Greeks who have ventured into another part of Greece and did not feel one of them, ie Cretan, Rhodes, Vlachi, Cypriot, Pontic, which one of these groups ever felt the same as the other walking into the others neighborhood, island or city....Elias Kazan the famous Greek American director of the 1950's, whose Greekness came from the depths of Anatolia, often bashed mainland Greeks as being lazy and quote"....no Greek from mainland Greece ever made a world wide name for himself"...How about the Cretan Greeks referring to Asia Minor refugees as Turks to this day.....Or Pontian Greeks being discriminated against by Cypriot Greeks......Get a Cretan Greek and a Spartan Greek together and you will see the amount of dirty words being thrown around and the amount of discrimination.....And if you look on this forum our Hellenic genes are abound with words like Kalamarades, Pousto Kalamarades, Skoulo Paphites....etc,etc,etc......
Me Ed wrote:I love the GO Church and the fact I can speak Greek, but I am with the Cypriots on this one.

Perhaps its because in all the numerous occassions I have been to Greece, I have never really been made to feel as one with them.
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Postby Byron » Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:17 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Byron wrote:
paliometoxo wrote:nampou laleis?... malakies ;p

greeks are in greece and cypriots in cyprus

so the americans the australians many countries who use ENGLISH does that make them all from ENGLAND?:S


Such silly argurments, I suppose the Australians learn't English from the Aborigines ?


Yeh they did!

Do you have a problem with our Aboriginal heritage and culture?

Cyprus had people before Hellenic colonization and settlement, just like Australia had people before British settlement, hence the uniqueness of both the Cypriot and Australian identity!

Australians are different to Brits, as are Cypriots to Greeks!

Or are some Cypriots too stupid to form their own sense of belonging which embraces all? It does not have to exclude Hellenism, but have some respect to those Cypriots who have nothing to do
or have nothing in common with our Hellenistic past.


You learn something everyday : the Aborigines spoke English before the English did !!!
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Postby Oracle » Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:18 pm

Give it a rest Paphitis, please!

Just because the distinct and quite different Aboriginal culture (of almost 40,000 years) was recently invaded from the other side of the globe by a completely different culture; it does not mean that is exactly what happened between the near neighbours, trading partners and co-developed citizens of mainland and island Greece, even one as "far" as Cyprus!
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Postby Paphitis » Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:24 pm

Oracle wrote:Give it a rest Paphitis, please!

Just because the distinct and quite different Aboriginal culture (of almost 40,000 years) was recently invaded from the other side of the globe by a completely different culture; it does not mean that is exactly what happened between the near neighbours, trading partners and co-developed citizens of mainland and island Greece, even one as "far" as Cyprus!


Quite interesting theory!

Perhaps the Greeks also invaded the Choirokitians! :lol:

How dare you!

Perhaps Greece, if it was a naval power in the 18th Century (if it existed), might have beaten the English and colonized Australia. Australians would still be different to Greeks if that were the case! But we may be experts at cooking the books nonetheless! :lol:

And here I thought that you Cypriots claim 10,000 years of civilization, whereas Australia only claims 200 years of civilization and has beaten you to the chase! :lol:
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Postby Paphitis » Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:28 pm

Byron wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Byron wrote:
paliometoxo wrote:nampou laleis?... malakies ;p

greeks are in greece and cypriots in cyprus

so the americans the australians many countries who use ENGLISH does that make them all from ENGLAND?:S


Such silly argurments, I suppose the Australians learn't English from the Aborigines ?


Yeh they did!

Do you have a problem with our Aboriginal heritage and culture?

Cyprus had people before Hellenic colonization and settlement, just like Australia had people before British settlement, hence the uniqueness of both the Cypriot and Australian identity!

Australians are different to Brits, as are Cypriots to Greeks!

Or are some Cypriots too stupid to form their own sense of belonging which embraces all? It does not have to exclude Hellenism, but have some respect to those Cypriots who have nothing to do
or have nothing in common with our Hellenistic past.


You learn something everyday : the Aborigines spoke English before the English did !!!


Just like the Cypriots introduced the Greek Alphabet from the Phoenician!
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:23 pm

Conclusion: Cyprus is the center of the universe!

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