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[aussieturk]

I may need to expand.... why is it in a democracy, the President is constantly heckled by the Archbishopric(k), who was voted in by something like 15-20% of the Orthodox population? To preserve my 'Greekness'.
I am Orthodox. My father is Catholic, but got shot at in 74 during fighting and lost all his posessions in Famagusta, as did my Mother. I gave up 26 months in the Army in Vyzakia (yes, all of it) as parading in front of a foreign flag was the lesser of two evils- not bothering. People like you idiots, however, would foist some kind of Greekness on me, and probably exclude half my family.
But what really gets my goat is every time a little progress is made, or someone doesn't feel some kind of Greek pride according to YOUR definitions, you label them Commies, traitors or deluded. It's YOU living the lie. TC's look like us, act like us and have the same values, whereas mainland Greeks don't. I can't comment on Turks as I haven't met a great deal. Yes, we're like the Cretans and he people of Rhodes- so what? I was born in the Republic of Cyprus and I am very proud to be a Cypriot, so please please please don't offend me with your bile.

Wanker.

The only difference I see is Religion and Language, everything else seems similar. All the food we eat, the recipes are the same (only Lamb is substituted for Pork).

Mainland Turks are very different.

[Get Real!]

Our Hellenistic history has been appraised by many, not just Greeks. It's not new to seek evidence to reinforce or break established routines.

What you have to ask yourself GR!, is why you have decided it is a "mythological bandwagon" against irrefutable, unbiased and outside evidence? Why when the Occidental cultural elite are turning to the ideals of the Greek world, you (and the Turks) abandon them?

Cyprus and its Greek history are not incompatible with their newer European identity. They are only incompatible with Turkish nihilistic ideology.

Our "Hellenic" history is the invention of German Heinrich Schliemann (1822…1890), the archaeologist who between 1871 and 1873 discovered what was later touted as the “lost city of Troy” in Turkey, and Mycenaean ancient sites of Mycenae and Tiryns, thus lending some weight to Homer's imaginary Iliad story. From there all the mythologies about Cyprus were born!

His interpretations were "accepted" by Europeans (quite simply because nobody could care less about accuracy back then) but not questioned until recently as Natasha Leriou explains.

[Get Real!]

Behold the mighty Cypriot hand!

[Get Real!]

... Also, anyone who came to live on Cyprus would’ve been assimilated into Cypriotism within a decade or two just as happens anywhere else in the world.

But what evidence do you have that anyone ever assimilated into "Cypriotism", in the past?

After all, our most recent invaders, Brits and Turks, have so far done a good job not only of resisting being "assimilated" to Cypriotism, but making some natives abandon any vestiges of Cypriotism (of the type recognised only by its association to Greekness) whilst firmly implanting their own languages (English, Turkish) religion (Mosques) and power-wielding personnel (Turk-TCs, Turkish and British troops).

It’s common sense that any peaceful well-meaning foreigner moving to another country would assimilate after one, two, or three decades! Only an invader would refuse/repel assimilation!

What do we have left from this "Cypriotism"?

Compare my IQ with yours!

[Get Real!]

I love the GO Church and the fact I can speak Greek, but I am with the Cypriots on this one.

Is the Eastern Orthodox Christian denomination Greek? I don’t think so…

“Historically, the contemporary Orthodox church stands in direct continuity with the earliest Christian communities founded in regions of the Eastern Mediterranean by the apostles of Jesus. The subsequent destinies of Christianity in those areas were shaped by the transfer of the imperial capital from Rome to Constantinople by Constantine I. As a consequence, during the first 8 centuries of Christian history most major intellectual, cultural, and social developments in the Christian church also took place in that region; for example, all ecumenical councils of that period met either in Constantinople or in its vicinity. Missionaries, coming from Constantinople, converted the Slavs and other peoples of Eastern Europe to Christianity and translated Scripture and liturgical texts into the vernacular languages used in the various regions. Thus, the liturgy, traditions, and practices of the church of Constantinople were adopted by all and still provide the basic patterns and ethos of contemporary Orthodoxy.”

http://mb-soft.com/believe/txc/orthodox.htm

So which countries lie in the Eastern Mediterranean? Cyprus and the Middle Eastern countries of course! And who was this Constantine I who took Christianity to Constantinople from its Eastern Mediterranean birthplace?

Constantine I, was a Roman emperor in the capital of the Roman Empire of the time called “Constantinople”! There was nothing Greek about him or his capital!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_I

[Oracle]

I am very proud to be a Cypriot, so please please please don't offend me with your bile..

Cypriot is only a passport-given national label and in no way distinguishes you as a culturally, historically relevant human.

Yup, the English (cultural) are proud to be British (Passport label); yup the Welsh (cultural) are proud to be British (passport); and yup, the Greeks (cultural) are proud to be Cypriot (passport label) or Greek (cultural) and Greek (Passport label) ....

Now, are you just a passport carrying human or a living breathing product of some relevant (as all are) human culture? Fine if you are not, but what a crying shame if that is all there is to you ... a monoclonal Passport-carrying citizen ....

The Turks are sure refreshing their Turkish 'cultural' identity, and yup, some of them are Cypriot (passport label) citizens too ...

[Oracle]

I love the GO Church and the fact I can speak Greek, but I am with the Cypriots on this one.

But you'll happily insult all those other Cypriots (passport bearers) who neither speak Greek nor not only do not respect the GO church, but would happily destroy every last icon? Yup, there are Cypriots (passport bearers) like that, but no (normal) Greek would do that!

[Oracle]

... Our "Hellenic" history is the invention of German Heinrich Schliemann (1822…1890), the archaeologist who ...

I think you should learn to read from wider sources and stop picking up one girl's draft thesis or one German's translation of an old Greek word ...

Go back at least to the reasons why Europe had a Renaissance. Or even back as far as why the early Romans continued to translate Ancient Greek texts. You may find there was no discontinuity between the classic world and today, only an interruption in transmission whilst the barbarian Turks tried to do in Greece exactly what they are trying to do in Cyprus to this day!

[Liontaroui]

I am very proud to be a Cypriot, so please please please don't offend me with your bile..

Cypriot is only a passport-given national label and in no way distinguishes you as a culturally, historically relevant human.

Yup, the English (cultural) are proud to be British (Passport label); yup the Welsh (cultural) are proud to be British (passport); and yup, the Greeks (cultural) are proud to be Cypriot (passport label) or Greek (cultural) and Greek (Passport label) ....

Now, are you just a passport carrying human or a living breathing product of some relevant (as all are) human culture? Fine if you are not, but what a crying shame if that is all there is to you ... a monoclonal Passport-carrying citizen ....

The Turks are sure refreshing their Turkish 'cultural' identity, and yup, some of them are Cypriot (passport label) citizens too ...

So according to you I am irrelevant. Well my first post to Epiktitos got deleted, so obviously I will have problems answering properly.
I think YOU are the irrelevance, clinging to a romantic ideal long gone and misguided.
I am proud to be part of a culture that survived 2000 yrs of occupation. That has created wealth out of not-a-lot. That carries out more third party shipmanagement than anywhere else on this planet.
Actually I'm not even going to bother. You can't reason with a fanatic, but if the country that bore and raised you isn't good enough for you, why don't you go back to Greece? Go on, give up your irrelevant Cypriot passport, side with the pattismeni Greeks. We have ALWAYS outperformed them.
Tell you what, go find an Anorthosiati who went to Athens for the football and ask him what they think of us over there...
Attitudes like yours from both communities are directly responsible for the shit we are in right now, but you've got your head in the sand.

[Oracle]

I am very proud to be a Cypriot, so please please please don't offend me with your bile..

Cypriot is only a passport-given national label and in no way distinguishes you as a culturally, historically relevant human.

Yup, the English (cultural) are proud to be British (Passport label); yup the Welsh (cultural) are proud to be British (passport); and yup, the Greeks (cultural) are proud to be Cypriot (passport label) or Greek (cultural) and Greek (Passport label) ....

Now, are you just a passport carrying human or a living breathing product of some relevant (as all are) human culture? Fine if you are not, but what a crying shame if that is all there is to you ... a monoclonal Passport-carrying citizen ....

The Turks are sure refreshing their Turkish 'cultural' identity, and yup, some of them are Cypriot (passport label) citizens too ...

So according to you I am irrelevant. Well my first post to Epiktitos got deleted, so obviously I will have problems answering properly.
I think YOU are the irrelevance, clinging to a romantic ideal long gone and misguided.
I am proud to be part of a culture that survived 2000 yrs of occupation. That has created wealth out of not-a-lot. That carries out more third party shipmanagement than anywhere else on this planet.
Actually I'm not even going to bother. You can't reason with a fanatic, but if the country that bore and raised you isn't good enough for you, why don't you go back to Greece? Go on, give up your irrelevant Cypriot passport, side with the pattismeni Greeks. We have ALWAYS outperformed them.
Tell you what, go find an Anorthosiati who went to Athens for the football and ask him what they think of us over there...
Attitudes like yours from both communities are directly responsible for the shit we are in right now, but you've got your head in the sand.

Well I didn't say you were 'irrelevant', but if your only means of identity are via some Passport Number as a citizen and not as a human being, then you leave a lot to be desired. Hey, you know my dog has a Pet Passport with a number ... but also has a 'cultural' identity ... as a Labrador.

However, if your only alternative to the Hellenic culture is "football culture" ... then good luck