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Postby Malapapa » Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:18 pm

Oracle wrote:That's because you prefer to believe the mouths of the devils (halil and the Mail)

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Oracle wrote:who gave the visit, which was primarily to bless the few remaining GCs, the wrong slant! :roll:


The Mouth of Gold has been reported (admittedly in the Mail but I don't believe you believe they made it up) as saying on radio:

‘we’ (the Greek Cypriots) were to blame for the dilapidated state of the monastery because of past disagreements over the repair work. Thanks to the disagreements nothing was done and the building is now on the verge of collapsing, making the building repairs a matter of great urgency.

This is a hugely damning admission by the Archbishop for two reasons:

One, petty earthly politics have been allowed to interfere with the safeguarding of this sacred place of worship for future generations of believers. To the Christian faithful this can be seen as unforgiveable.

Two, the island's religious leader has let Turkey off the hook for its own role in the neglect of this hugely significant landmark over recent decades. To those who see themselves as Greeks of Cyprus, this can also be seen as unforgiveable.
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Postby Oracle » Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:33 pm

Malapapa wrote:
Oracle wrote:That's because you prefer to believe the mouths of the devils (halil and the Mail)

:roll:
Oracle wrote:who gave the visit, which was primarily to bless the few remaining GCs, the wrong slant! :roll:


The Mouth of Gold has been reported (admittedly in the Mail but I don't believe you believe they made it up) as saying on radio:

‘we’ (the Greek Cypriots) were to blame for the dilapidated state of the monastery because of past disagreements over the repair work. Thanks to the disagreements nothing was done and the building is now on the verge of collapsing, making the building repairs a matter of great urgency.

This is a hugely damning admission by the Archbishop for two reasons:

One, petty earthly politics have been allowed to interfere with the safeguarding of this sacred place of worship for future generations of believers. To the Christian faithful this can be seen as unforgiveable.

Two, the island's religious leader has let Turkey off the hook for its own role in the neglect of this hugely significant landmark over recent decades. To those who see themselves as Greeks of Cyprus, this can also be seen as unforgiveable.


Other than the word "we" nothing else is in quotes! Their paraphrasing is notoriously unreliable. Even the 'Greek Cypriots' in parentheses is their own interpretation!
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Postby Gasman » Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:44 pm

Almost seven years ago:

Friday, May 23, 2003
Church blocking money for monastery restoration
ARCHITECTS overseeing the renovation of the Apostolos Andreas monastery in occupied Karpasia fear losing the $1 million allocated by the UN for its repair, following a row with the Church-backed committee monitoring the project.

Andreas Philippou, one of the architects involved told the Cyprus Mail yesterday work on the monastery building has not started yet although they were ready to begin last September.

He said the committee appointed by the Church was opposed to the suggested renovations fearing the monastery would lose its character.

The restoration is being carried out in tandem with work on the Hala Sultan Tekke, a shrine holy to Turkish Cypriots, near Larnaca's salt lake.

Around $5 million in total has been allocated for the dual projects, which is being provided by the US and the work is being carried out by UNOPS, the United Nations Office for Project Services. Philippou said $1 million of the total has been allocated for the monastery and chapel.

He said the work should go ahead immediately in order not to lose the funding, although no such threat has been issued. “The UN cannot wait forever,” he said. If the work doesn’t start soon I don’t know what will happen. “They don’t want to be in a conflict with anyone. They are there, they are ready but they cannot start unless they have the consent of the Church.”

Apostolos Andreas is said to stand on the spot where the Apostle Andrew came ashore on his way to Greece in the 1st century AD. For the past 30 years it has been derelict and left exposed to neglect and the elements. The monastery itself dates from the 19th century and the little chapel from the 14th century. It is considered the 'Lourdes' of Cyprus to Greek Orthodoxy, aided by stories of miracles surrounding the holy water that comes from its underground springs.

The first phase of the project involving the monastery surrounds was completed last year. Some 8,000 seedlings and saplings were planted and roads and botanical gardens have also been constructed.

Professor Giorgio Croci, the Italian engineer who is famed for preventing the Leaning Tower of Pisa from toppling over, has taken on the Apostolos Andreas project and has said some parts added on over the years are unsafe and must be demolished.

“Some members of the committee feel the monastery should not be renovated completely and don’t want the amount of work suggested by the specialists,” Philippou said despite the extensive research and expertise involved.

“They (Croci and his team) have taken into considerations the fact that the monastery has been neglected without any maintenance for 30 years,” he said adding that the last work done was in 1966, and that involved merely adding more accommodation.

He said the work done in concrete is placing a heavy burden on the chapel’s roof, which is also covered in asbestos, and that the steel in the building has been corroded over the years. The monastery could easily fall victim to a strong earthquake as it stand now, Philippou said. Sea erosion is also a major problem.

“There are certain movements of the church on one side and certain suggestions for strengthening the walls and doing the roofs. The idea is to remove the accommodation, do the remedial work and then if we have to put them back we can put them back,” he said.

“There is extensive demolition that has to take place and this is…they don’t want to listen. They feel that instead of doing this extensive restoration which Croci suggested, that the monastery can be fixed with cosmetic changes.”

“The biggest problem would be from an earthquake. It has withstood some up to now but so many years have passed with it neglected and the only thing instead of restoring it we have bee adding different thing which are not compatible with the structure of the monastery.”

One of the problems in the dispute, according to Philippou is the Archbishop’s ill health, which has left him unable to make a decision.

“Because he can’t make a decision the whole situation is worsened,” he said adding that the Holy Synod has appointed Bishop Nikiforos of Kykkou to look into it.

“All the documentation has been done and is ready since last September and we are waiting to hear if we can go ahead or not,” he added. “A lot of fuss has been created and a lot of things are being said that are not correct.”

Copyright Cyprus Mail 2003

Anyone who has visited it recently (I have) can confirm it is in a dreadful state of repair.
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Postby YFred » Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:48 pm

While the north is embargoed, so should the repair of the monastry. It's only fair. Peoples lives and their livelyhood is more imoportant then buildings, particularly churches and monastries and the like.
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Postby Malapapa » Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:51 pm

I wonder whether the 'we' might refer to the Church rather than 'Greek Cypriots' generally. Has this 'confession' been reported anywhere else I wonder as I do think it's significant. Perhaps someone heard the radio interview?
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Postby Malapapa » Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:03 am

Gasman wrote:Almost seven years ago:

Friday, May 23, 2003
Church blocking money for monastery restoration


Anyone who has visited it recently (I have) can confirm it is in a dreadful state of repair.


I do think it's amazing that the Archbishop is finally willing to take responsibility for this rather than blame it all on Turkey and its regime.
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Postby Gasman » Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:06 am

Then, 6 years ago:

OVER 500 people opposed to the renovations at the Apostolos Andreas monastery in the north on Sunday voted unanimously to take legal measures in an attempt to block controversial the work on the monastery’s chapel.

A campaign by the Karpasia Coordinating Committee, who are opposed to changing the appearance of the monastery’s chapel building, has been underway for over a year after residents realised restoration involved the demolition of a series of upper rooms, which were not originally part of the structure, and which had been deemed unsafe by Professor Giorgio Croci, the leader of the project.

Late last year the cabinet decided to allow the controversial work to go ahead in the wake of a threat by the US that it would withdrawn the $1 million allocated for the work, which is being carried out through UNOPS.

While a majority of the Holy Synod supported the removal of the additional rooms, the opposing faction within the Church and among residents of the area argued the monastery was a monument to the 30-year occupation of the north of Cyprus and to the enclaved Greek Cypriots living there, and should not be altered.

In a move to appease the dissenters, the cabinet said the upper rooms could possibly be rebuilt at a later stage but the dissenters were not convinced. Europa Nostra, a pan-European federation bringing together more than 200 heritage associations, also asked the government to call a halt to the work saying that the attitude of the local population should not be ignored given its close attachment to the church both as a place of worship and as a heritage site.

The Committee to have the work halted have also commissioned reports from both foreign and local experts, whom they said agree with their assessment that the chapel should be left alone.
Sunday’s resolution reiterated that the residents consider the demolition as “a crime against culture, which would irreparably damage the history and memory of the site”. It also said the work was disrespectful to the Greek Orthodox Church of Cyprus.
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