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Postby Get Real! » Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:26 pm

Epiktitos wrote:
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GR! wrote:1. A “descendant of Levi” is not necessarily an Israeli or even Jewish! Just a descendant thereof!


Yeah, but meaning he wasn't Cypriot!

You idiot! A descendant of a Jewish tribe has no bearing on one’s nationality because being Jewish is just a religious distinction! :roll:


Convincing with your abuse you are, grasshopper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnicity

The Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים‎) also known as the Jewish people, are a nation and ethnoreligious group originating in the Israelites or Hebrews of the Ancient Near East. The Jewish ethnicity, nationality, and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation. Converts to Judaism, whose status as Jews within the Jewish ethnos is equal to those born into it, have been absorbed into the Jewish people throughout the millennia.

Utter rubbish! There has never been a Jewish nation until the creation of Israel in 1948. Ancient villages and towns where Jews originated from is not a nation!
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Postby Epiktitos » Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:42 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Epiktitos wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:
GR! wrote:1. A “descendant of Levi” is not necessarily an Israeli or even Jewish! Just a descendant thereof!


Yeah, but meaning he wasn't Cypriot!

You idiot! A descendant of a Jewish tribe has no bearing on one’s nationality because being Jewish is just a religious distinction! :roll:


Convincing with your abuse you are, grasshopper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnicity

The Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים‎) also known as the Jewish people, are a nation and ethnoreligious group originating in the Israelites or Hebrews of the Ancient Near East. The Jewish ethnicity, nationality, and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation. Converts to Judaism, whose status as Jews within the Jewish ethnos is equal to those born into it, have been absorbed into the Jewish people throughout the millennia.

Utter rubbish! There has never been a Jewish nation until the creation of Israel in 1948. Ancient villages and towns where Jews originated from is not a nation!

I'm offended that I'm not worthy of your abuse; what does one have to do to earn this honour from you? Or is this something you reserve only for women who dare challenge you?

I notice the wikipedia page about Jewish ethnicity is locked, probably on account of misanthropes such as yourself. Have you at least added your input to the talk page?
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:50 pm

Epiktitos wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Epiktitos wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:
GR! wrote:1. A “descendant of Levi” is not necessarily an Israeli or even Jewish! Just a descendant thereof!


Yeah, but meaning he wasn't Cypriot!

You idiot! A descendant of a Jewish tribe has no bearing on one’s nationality because being Jewish is just a religious distinction! :roll:


Convincing with your abuse you are, grasshopper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnicity

The Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים‎) also known as the Jewish people, are a nation and ethnoreligious group originating in the Israelites or Hebrews of the Ancient Near East. The Jewish ethnicity, nationality, and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation. Converts to Judaism, whose status as Jews within the Jewish ethnos is equal to those born into it, have been absorbed into the Jewish people throughout the millennia.

Utter rubbish! There has never been a Jewish nation until the creation of Israel in 1948. Ancient villages and towns where Jews originated from is not a nation!

I'm offended that I'm not worthy of your abuse; what does one have to do to earn this honour from you? Or is this something you reserve only for women who dare challenge you?

I notice the wikipedia page about Jewish ethnicity is locked, probably on account of misanthropes such as yourself. Have you at least added your input to the talk page?

I take it you’ve given up trying to convince me that Jews were a nation… wise choice! :wink:
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Postby Epiktitos » Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:06 pm

Get Real! wrote:I take it you’ve given up trying to convince me that Jews were a nation… wise choice!

You will forgive me if I am not flattered at being told by you that I am wise.

No, I am not about convincing you of anything, just providing an alternative viewpoint for anyone else who would like to conclude, as I have, that you are wrong. Your opinion on the issue of your correctness matters naught.
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Postby Oracle » Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:14 pm

Get Real! wrote:
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GR! wrote:1. A “descendant of Levi” is not necessarily an Israeli or even Jewish! Just a descendant thereof!


Yeah, but meaning he wasn't Cypriot!

You idiot! A descendant of a Jewish tribe has no bearing on one’s nationality because being Jewish is just a religious distinction! :roll:


Which nationalities did they have in Biblical times, then?
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Postby DT. » Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:44 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Epiktitos wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Epiktitos wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:
GR! wrote:1. A “descendant of Levi” is not necessarily an Israeli or even Jewish! Just a descendant thereof!


Yeah, but meaning he wasn't Cypriot!

You idiot! A descendant of a Jewish tribe has no bearing on one’s nationality because being Jewish is just a religious distinction! :roll:


Convincing with your abuse you are, grasshopper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnicity

The Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים‎) also known as the Jewish people, are a nation and ethnoreligious group originating in the Israelites or Hebrews of the Ancient Near East. The Jewish ethnicity, nationality, and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation. Converts to Judaism, whose status as Jews within the Jewish ethnos is equal to those born into it, have been absorbed into the Jewish people throughout the millennia.

Utter rubbish! There has never been a Jewish nation until the creation of Israel in 1948. Ancient villages and towns where Jews originated from is not a nation!

I'm offended that I'm not worthy of your abuse; what does one have to do to earn this honour from you? Or is this something you reserve only for women who dare challenge you?

I notice the wikipedia page about Jewish ethnicity is locked, probably on account of misanthropes such as yourself. Have you at least added your input to the talk page?

I take it you’ve given up trying to convince me that Jews were a nation… wise choice! :wink:


Re Istorike ths fadjis :lol:

David Hebrew: דָּוִד, Modern David Tiberian dɔwið, "beloved"; Arabic: دَاوُۥدَ‎, Dāwud; Greek: Δαβιδ was the second king of the united Kingdom of Israel according to the Bible.
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Postby Oracle » Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:45 pm

There are many references to Cyprus and "people of Cyprus" in the Bible but there are no mentions of "Cypriot" ... only Greek. And before GR! says well that's different to "Hellene"; it's because the Bible translators (into English), translated "Hellene" (from the New Testament in Greek or equivalent Aramaic etc) into "Greek"! If the Bible was translated into German or Mandarin or whatever other language then you can be sure a different equivalent to "Greek" or "Hellene" would be used! But most normal people would read the historical context and not transfer their present day preferences into rewriting the past!
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:01 pm

DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:I take it you’ve given up trying to convince me that Jews were a nation… wise choice! :wink:

Re Istorike ths fadjis :lol:

David Hebrew: דָּוִד, Modern David Tiberian dɔwið, "beloved"; Arabic: دَاوُۥدَ‎, Dāwud; Greek: Δαβιδ was the second king of the united Kingdom of Israel according to the Bible.

King David is a Biblical narrative! Judaism was a religious reform movement but not a country! The “Land of Israel” you hear about where this Kingdom "existed" was a territorial promissory to Jews by God! :roll:
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Postby DT. » Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:08 pm

Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:I take it you’ve given up trying to convince me that Jews were a nation… wise choice! :wink:

Re Istorike ths fadjis :lol:

David Hebrew: דָּוִד, Modern David Tiberian dɔwið, "beloved"; Arabic: دَاوُۥدَ‎, Dāwud; Greek: Δαβιδ was the second king of the united Kingdom of Israel according to the Bible.

King David is a Biblical narrative! Judaism was a religious reform movement but not a country! The “Land of Israel” you hear about where this Kingdom "existed" was a territorial promissory to Jews by God! :roll:



Oh, for a minute there I thought we were going to be consistent.. :roll:


Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:
GR! wrote:1. A “descendant of Levi” is not necessarily an Israeli or even Jewish! Just a descendant thereof!


Yeah, but meaning he wasn't Cypriot!

You idiot! A descendant of a Jewish tribe has no bearing on one’s nationality because being Jewish is just a religious distinction! :roll:

Since when has the Bible been a source for "Credible Evidence"? :lol:

Like always! If the bible doesn’t recognize it then it simply did not exist!
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:17 pm

Back to the issue:

Glorious Cyprus was the first hub of Christianity from which Christianity had spread to Europe including Greece…

Isaiah 23:1
[ A Prophecy About Tyre ] An oracle concerning Tyre: Wail, O ships of Tarshish! For Tyre is destroyed and left without house or harbor. From the land of Cyprus word has come to them.

Acts 4:36
Joseph, a Levite from Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means Son of Encouragement),

Acts 11:20
Some of them, however, men from Cyprus and Cyrene, went to Antioch and began to speak to Greeks also, telling them the good news about the Lord Jesus.

Acts 21:16
Some of the disciples from Caesarea accompanied us and brought us to the home of Mnason, where we were to stay. He was a man from Cyprus and one of the early disciples.

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