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[londoner]

You may not need a visa for Turkey, it may only be for UK citizens as Turks need a visa to enter the UK - your travel agent should be able to confirm. You do not need a visa for ERcan

[EricSeans]

I am sorry if I have made someone mad. I did not try to disrispect anyone by choosing to fly to the Ercan.

I would only like to know if I am breaking the law or not and how to get to Larnaca.

thank you,

What are they saying about it back over at CY44?

[Gasman]

Your Travel Agent will know the situation re Visas.

Now, just for Oracle - who lives on another plane to the one ordinary people live on, I am going to paste in the itinerary I referred to and also just for Oracle, I will BOLDEN the relevant bits!

HARVEY WORLD TRAVEL
Monday 24 August 2009
04:30 p.m. Depart Napier Airport on Air New Zealand
Flight NZ8224 (De Havilland Dhc-8 Dash 8 Series 300) Vendor Locator: D7JPRH
Flying Time: 55 minutes Status - Confirmed
05:25 p.m. Arrive Auckland Airport, Terminal D
11:15 p.m. Depart Auckland Airport, Terminal I on Air New Zealand
Flight NZ39 (Boeing 777-200) Vendor Locator: D7JPRH
Flying Time: 11 hours 30 minutes Meals Served: Dinner, breakfast Status - Confirmed
Tuesday 25 Aug Arrive Hong Kong Airport, Terminal 1
06:45 a.m.
Tuesday 25 August 2009
Tuesday 25 Aug Accommodation has been reserved for 2 nights at:
Thursday 27 Aug The Cityview
23 Waterloo Road
Mongkok
HONG KONG
Accommodation reserved: Double Room
Transfers included
Thursday 27 August 2009
11:05 p.m. Depart Hong Kong Airport, Terminal 1 on THY - Turk Hava Yollari
Flight TK71 Vendor Locator: SUVB6K
Economy class seating
Flying Time: 12 hours Meals Served: Non specific meal Status - Confirmed
Friday 28 Aug Arrive Istanbul Airport, Terminal I
06:05 a.m.
Friday 28 August 2009
Friday 28 Aug Accommodation has been reserved for 1 night at:
Saturday 29 Aug Direct Supplier/principal
Pre Tour Hotel
Istanbul
Accommodation reserved: Double Room
Saturday 29 August 2009
Saturday 29 Aug A Tour has been booked for 10 days with:
Monday 07 Sep Adventure World
Tour reserved: Tour Magic Carpet - Fez Tour
Free arrival transfer from Airport to hotel
Tour commences and finishes in Istanbul
Monday 7 September 2009
07:15 a.m. Depart Istanbul Airport, Terminal I on THY - Turk Hava Yollari
Flight TK1260 (Boeing 737-800) Vendor Locator: SUVB6K
Flying Time: 1 hour 35 minutes Meals Served: Non specific meal Status - Confirmed
08:50 a.m. Arrive Ercan Airport
Saturday 10 October 2009
04:50 p.m. Depart Larnaca Airport on British Airways
Flight BA663 (Boeing 767 300/300er) Vendor Locator: 4W5EAL
Flying Time: 4 hours 55 minutes Meals Served: Snack or brunch Status - Confirmed
07:45 p.m. Arrive London - Heathrow Airport, Terminal 5
Tuesday 20 October 2009
09:05 p.m. Depart London - Heathrow Airport, Terminal 1 on Air New Zealand
Flight NZ38 (Boeing 777-200) Vendor Locator: D7JPRH
Flying Time: 12 hours 15 minutes Meals Served: Dinner, breakfast Status - Confirmed
Wednesday 21 Oct Arrive Hong Kong Airport, Terminal 1
04:20 p.m.
Wednesday 21 October 2009
Wednesday 21 Oct Accommodation has been reserved for 3 nights at:
Saturday 24 Oct The Cityview
23 Waterloo Road
Mongkok
HONG KONG
Accommodation reserved: Double Room
Transfers included
Friday 23 October 2009
06:10 p.m. Depart Hong Kong Airport, Terminal 1 on Air New Zealand
Flight NZ38 (Boeing 777-200) Vendor Locator: D7JPRH
Flying Time: 10 hours 50 minutes Meals Served: Dinner, breakfast Status - Confirmed
Saturday 24 Oct Arrive Auckland Airport, Terminal I
10:00 a.m.
Saturday 24 October 2009
12:15 p.m. Depart Auckland Airport, Terminal D on Air New Zealand
Flight NZ8431 (De Havilland Dhc-8 Dash 8 Series 300) Vendor Locator: D7JPRH
Flying Time: 1 hour Status - Confirmed
Operated By Airnz Link
01:15 p.m. Arrive Napier Airport

[Oracle]

Gasbag ... shut up! You are NOT above RoC Laws!

Samsamsam ... you pretend that you want to do the right thing!

Well here is all you need if you actually want to do the right thing:


Use of Illegal Airports “ERCAN” (TYMBOU)


1. “ERCAN” (TYMBOU) is a closed airport situated in the occupied part of the Republic of Cyprus, which the Government of Cyprus, as the sole legitimate and internationally recognized authority on the island, has declared since 1974 as an illegal point of entry into and exit from the Republic of Cyprus, for the reason of not being able to exercise control over the occupied part of its territory, as a result of the continuing Turkish military occupation. Under International law the Republic of Cyprus is the sole sovereign authority with exclusive jurisdiction to determine which of its airports on its territory are open and functioning, as well as the terms of their operation.

2. It is also important to note that “ERCAN” is located on property belonging to a significant number of Greek Cypriot refugees who were forcibly expelled from their properties by the invasion forces. These refugees still remain the legal owners of their properties and they have never consented for the construction of the airport and its use as such. In that regard reference is made to the cases of Loizidou vs Turkey and Xenides-Arestis vs Turkey in which the European Court of Human Rights held that the applicants remain the legal owners of their property in the occupied areas and that Turkey continues to be in breach of Article 1, Protocol 1 of the European Convention on Human Rights.

3. The so-called “ERCAN” airport is not recognized by ICAO, which is the highest international authority on legal issues relating to civil aviation in general. ICAO’s policy on matters relating to Cyprus is in conformity with that of the United Nations and the international community. Consequently, ICAO recognizes only the Republic of Cyprus and its Government as the sole representative of the whole island. It should also be stressed that according to ICAO decisions of 1974, 1975 and 1977, a country not exercising temporarily effective control over its territory by reason of military occupation, does not lose its sovereign rights over such territory and the airspace above it.

4. Furthermore, Turkey, in violation of the Chicago Convention on the International Civil Aviation, the constitutional instrument of ICAO, and its Annexes, to which 188 countries, including the Republic of Cyprus and Turkey, are States-Parties to and following a number of illegal acts after the Turkish invasion, proclaimed the establishment of “Ercan advisory service” which lies in the northern part of Nicosia FIR. The illegal operation of the unrecognized “ERCAN advisory service” causes serious risks over safety, flight efficiency and airspace development in the region and in particular increased workload and inconvenience both for aircrews and Nicosia ACC Controllers and leads to misunderstandings due to the intervention in the provision of Air Traffic Control Services. Ankara ACC should be called upon to adopt standard ICAO procedures and transfer southbound traffic to the contiguous Nicosia control and to take practical steps for the restoration of the voice link between Ankara and Nicosia ACC's.

5. Any possible use by international traffic, of the illegally operating airports, such as “ERCAN” (TYMPOU), violates International law, U.N. Security Council resolutions, E.U. positions and contravenes the ICAO and the EUROCONTROL Conventions, and their respective norms, standards, procedures and recommended practices.

[apc2010]

Oracle give it a fucking break ,it was some guy asking about a holiday,not a f**king politics lesson, but if you want to scare away more tourists carry on!

[Oracle]

Oracle give it a fucking break ,it was some guy asking about a holiday,not a f**king politics lesson, but if you want to scare away more tourists carry on!

Yes ... any thinking that "Ercan" is a legal airport! He DID ask about the political situation, mugface.


Here it is again, from the RoC:

Use of Illegal Airports “ERCAN” (TYMBOU)

1. “ERCAN” (TYMBOU) is a closed airport situated in the occupied part of the Republic of Cyprus, which the Government of Cyprus, as the sole legitimate and internationally recognized authority on the island, has declared since 1974 as an illegal point of entry into and exit from the Republic of Cyprus, for the reason of not being able to exercise control over the occupied part of its territory, as a result of the continuing Turkish military occupation. Under International law the Republic of Cyprus is the sole sovereign authority with exclusive jurisdiction to determine which of its airports on its territory are open and functioning, as well as the terms of their operation.

2. It is also important to note that “ERCAN” is located on property belonging to a significant number of Greek Cypriot refugees who were forcibly expelled from their properties by the invasion forces. These refugees still remain the legal owners of their properties and they have never consented for the construction of the airport and its use as such. In that regard reference is made to the cases of Loizidou vs Turkey and Xenides-Arestis vs Turkey in which the European Court of Human Rights held that the applicants remain the legal owners of their property in the occupied areas and that Turkey continues to be in breach of Article 1, Protocol 1 of the European Convention on Human Rights.

3. The so-called “ERCAN” airport is not recognized by ICAO, which is the highest international authority on legal issues relating to civil aviation in general. ICAO’s policy on matters relating to Cyprus is in conformity with that of the United Nations and the international community. Consequently, ICAO recognizes only the Republic of Cyprus and its Government as the sole representative of the whole island. It should also be stressed that according to ICAO decisions of 1974, 1975 and 1977, a country not exercising temporarily effective control over its territory by reason of military occupation, does not lose its sovereign rights over such territory and the airspace above it.

4. Furthermore, Turkey, in violation of the Chicago Convention on the International Civil Aviation, the constitutional instrument of ICAO, and its Annexes, to which 188 countries, including the Republic of Cyprus and Turkey, are States-Parties to and following a number of illegal acts after the Turkish invasion, proclaimed the establishment of “Ercan advisory service” which lies in the northern part of Nicosia FIR. The illegal operation of the unrecognized “ERCAN advisory service” causes serious risks over safety, flight efficiency and airspace development in the region and in particular increased workload and inconvenience both for aircrews and Nicosia ACC Controllers and leads to misunderstandings due to the intervention in the provision of Air Traffic Control Services. Ankara ACC should be called upon to adopt standard ICAO procedures and transfer southbound traffic to the contiguous Nicosia control and to take practical steps for the restoration of the voice link between Ankara and Nicosia ACC's.

5. Any possible use by international traffic, of the illegally operating airports, such as “ERCAN” (TYMPOU), violates International law, U.N. Security Council resolutions, E.U. positions and contravenes the ICAO and the EUROCONTROL Conventions, and their respective norms, standards, procedures and recommended practices.

[londoner]

Oracle give it a fucking break ,it was some guy asking about a holiday,not a f**king politics lesson, but if you want to scare away more tourists carry on!

Bravo apc2010 -

Oracle - the whole world, believe or not, does not give a damn about the minor details regarding the Cyprus problem and tourists just want to have a break and enjoy the beauty of our island.

[Oracle]

Here it is again, from the RoC:

Use of Illegal Airports “ERCAN” (TYMBOU)

1. “ERCAN” (TYMBOU) is a closed airport situated in the occupied part of the Republic of Cyprus, which the Government of Cyprus, as the sole legitimate and internationally recognized authority on the island, has declared since 1974 as an illegal point of entry into and exit from the Republic of Cyprus, for the reason of not being able to exercise control over the occupied part of its territory, as a result of the continuing Turkish military occupation. Under International law the Republic of Cyprus is the sole sovereign authority with exclusive jurisdiction to determine which of its airports on its territory are open and functioning, as well as the terms of their operation.

2. It is also important to note that “ERCAN” is located on property belonging to a significant number of Greek Cypriot refugees who were forcibly expelled from their properties by the invasion forces. These refugees still remain the legal owners of their properties and they have never consented for the construction of the airport and its use as such. In that regard reference is made to the cases of Loizidou vs Turkey and Xenides-Arestis vs Turkey in which the European Court of Human Rights held that the applicants remain the legal owners of their property in the occupied areas and that Turkey continues to be in breach of Article 1, Protocol 1 of the European Convention on Human Rights.

3. The so-called “ERCAN” airport is not recognized by ICAO, which is the highest international authority on legal issues relating to civil aviation in general. ICAO’s policy on matters relating to Cyprus is in conformity with that of the United Nations and the international community. Consequently, ICAO recognizes only the Republic of Cyprus and its Government as the sole representative of the whole island. It should also be stressed that according to ICAO decisions of 1974, 1975 and 1977, a country not exercising temporarily effective control over its territory by reason of military occupation, does not lose its sovereign rights over such territory and the airspace above it.

4. Furthermore, Turkey, in violation of the Chicago Convention on the International Civil Aviation, the constitutional instrument of ICAO, and its Annexes, to which 188 countries, including the Republic of Cyprus and Turkey, are States-Parties to and following a number of illegal acts after the Turkish invasion, proclaimed the establishment of “Ercan advisory service” which lies in the northern part of Nicosia FIR. The illegal operation of the unrecognized “ERCAN advisory service” causes serious risks over safety, flight efficiency and airspace development in the region and in particular increased workload and inconvenience both for aircrews and Nicosia ACC Controllers and leads to misunderstandings due to the intervention in the provision of Air Traffic Control Services. Ankara ACC should be called upon to adopt standard ICAO procedures and transfer southbound traffic to the contiguous Nicosia control and to take practical steps for the restoration of the voice link between Ankara and Nicosia ACC's.

5. Any possible use by international traffic, of the illegally operating airports, such as “ERCAN” (TYMPOU), violates International law, U.N. Security Council resolutions, E.U. positions and contravenes the ICAO and the EUROCONTROL Conventions, and their respective norms, standards, procedures and recommended practices.

[cymart]

Yesterday I showed my passport to an 'illegal' policeman and supposedly broke the law by driving my car into Famagusta along a road which the Greek-Cypriots built,then I walked along a beach illegally and had an illegal drink in an illegal cafe which is illegally run by someone from Turkey because he came to Cyprus illegally??Then I had some illegal lunch and breathed some illegal air etc etc etc....
Cyprus is full of lawyers and the results of their meddling in politics has contributed to the mess we are in now!
Lawyers get paid far too much for talking and much of what they say is b******t!!
The Cyprus problem will never be solved in a million years if we continue with the illusion that it can dealt with that way.

[Gasman]

lol! Shan't shuttup - you talk about stuff you've NO experience of whatsoever - except the experience in your hate filled closed mind that operates outside the 'real world'.

In addition, my pals didn't need a VISA even tho' they are not EU nationals, NZ is one of the countries listed on the CypVisa site as those who don't need one (Aussies do). A visa can be a sticking point because you can only get it stamped if you arrive via the RoC. You don't need a visa if you are an EU citizen.

And, just to wind Oracle up further, I will paste in here another little gem of info received at the time (because there was no way I wanted my pals to get into any shtuuuck!)

As a non-EU citizen, if you enter the island via Larnaca, you can go to the North via the Green Line checkpoint. Leave the island via Ercan or Kyrenia. Although the last one would technically be illegal from a Greek Cypriot point of view, it won't create any problems

Oh ... and they went back and forth over the crossings - they did the blue line walk in Old Nicosia.

You hate all this don't you Oracle? You hate the REALITY.