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[denizaksulu]

Runaway ... now is that a man's or a woman's name?

Does that translate as 'yellow belly'?

[GreekForumer]

More testimony from Turkey's German friends

a German document states that these operations to disarm in some
areas of the Empire began as early as October 1914, i.e., within two
months of the Armenians’ conscription and weeks before Turkey’s entry into the world conflagration.30

30 AA T¨ urkei 142/41, A27535. Lieutenant Commander (Korvettenkapit¨an) and German
Naval Attach´e, Hans Humann, in his report no. 241, on 16 October 1914, informed
German Ambassador Hans Wangenheim about this measure.


Finally reference may be made to the abovementioned
Colonel Stange who was in charge of an Ottoman regiment
comprising a large number of convicts released from the various prisons
of the Ottoman Empire. In a lengthy “secret” report to his superior,
Marshal Liman von Sanders, he relayed his personal observations about
the methods used to exterminate the Armenians. Speaking of Trabzon,
he related how able-bodied Armenian men “were marched off to a mountain
and slaughtered” (“abgeschlachtet”).


In his report to his German military superiors, Stange retorted,
“Save for a small fraction of them, all able-bodied Armenian men
were recruited. There could, therefore, be no particular reason to fear
a real uprising” (emphasis in the original).19 Another high-ranking allied
officer, Austrian Vice Marshal Pomiankowski, Military Plenipotentiary
at Ottoman General Headquarters, provided his answer to these
questions. The Turks “began to massacre the able-bodied Armenian
men . . . in order to render the rest of the population defenseless.”20

19 AA Botschaft Konstantinopel (“BoKon” henceforth) 170, J. no. 3841, “secret” report
of 23 August 1915.
20 Joseph Pomiankowski, Der Zusammenbruch des Ottomanischen Reiches (Graz, Austria:
Akademischer Druck – u. Verlag, 1969), p. 160. Swiss author Zurlinden (Der Weltkrieg,
vol. II, p. 637) likewise argues that this measure was intended to facilitate the massacres
to follow [“um desto leichter massakrieren zu k¨onnen”).

The essay - The Armenian Genocide: an interpretation by Vahakn N. Dadrian
from the book - America and the Armenian Genocide of 1915, Edited by
Jay Winter

Google Books

Were these German's lying to their military bosses in their confidential correspondence ?

Has Turkey ever accused the Germans of placing fabricated correspondence in military archives ?

[Malapapa]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 055434.ece

Interesting letter from the Director of a programme on Conflict Prevention and Peacebuilding, American University, Washington

Sir, Turks and Armenians participating in the Turkish-Armenian Reconciliation Commission, which I chaired, requested a legal analysis on “the applicability of the Genocide Convention to Events during the early Twentieth Century.” The legal analysis employed a far more rigorous definition than Norman Stone who simply defines genocide as “the sort of thing Hitler did.”

The crime of genocide has four elements —
1, The perpetrator killed one or more persons.
2, Such person or persons belonged to a particular national, racial or religious group.
3, The perpetrator intended to destroy in whole or in part that group, as such, and
4, The conduct took place as part of a manifest pattern of conduct.
Since some Ottoman leaders knew that the deportation of Armenians from eastern Anatolia would result in many deaths, the legal analysis concluded that the perpetrators possessed the requisite genocidal intent and thus the events include all the elements of the crime of genocide as defined by the Genocide Convention.

The legal analysis also concluded that the Genocide Convention contains no provision mandating its retroactive application. It was, in fact, intended to impose prospective obligations to its signatories. Therefore, no legal, financial or territorial claims arising out of the events could successfully be made under the convention.

The outcome was a win-win. It validated the suffering of Armenians as genocide and freed Turkey from liability. Opponents of genocide recognition may muddy the facts, but they should not distort the legal definition of genocide embodied in the convention.

David L. Phillips
Director, Programme on Conflict Prevention and Peacebuilding, American University, Washington

[DTA]

in relation to crimes against TCs by state sponsored and supported Eoka

The crime of genocide has four elements —
1, The perpetrator killed one or more persons. check
2, Such person or persons belonged to a particular national, racial or religious group. check
3, The perpetrator intended to destroy in whole or in part that group, as such, and check
4, The conduct took place as part of a manifest pattern of conduct. Check

[Get Real!]

in relation to crimes against TCs by state sponsored and supported Eoka

The crime of genocide has four elements —
1, The perpetrator killed one or more persons. check
2, Such person or persons belonged to a particular national, racial or religious group. check
3, The perpetrator intended to destroy in whole or in part that group, as such, and check
4, The conduct took place as part of a manifest pattern of conduct. Check

You are an idiot... Check!

[YFred]

in relation to crimes against TCs by state sponsored and supported Eoka

The crime of genocide has four elements —
1, The perpetrator killed one or more persons. check
2, Such person or persons belonged to a particular national, racial or religious group. check
3, The perpetrator intended to destroy in whole or in part that group, as such, and check
4, The conduct took place as part of a manifest pattern of conduct. Check

You are an idiot... Check!

Hosht pis kopek

[CBBB]

Turkey protests Sweden Armenia 'genocide' vote

Turkey has withdrawn its ambassador to Sweden after the parliament voted narrowly to describe as genocide the killing of Armenians in World War I.

The Turkish government condemned the resolution, saying it was "based upon major errors and without foundation".

The Swedish government opposed the opposition resolution but it passed by one vote after some MPs voted against party lines.

It comes days after a US congressional panel passed a similar resolution.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan cancelled a visit to Stockholm scheduled next week and issued a statement criticising the vote.

"Our people and our government reject this decision based upon major errors and without foundation," said the statement.

Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt said the vote was a "mistake" but that it did not change the position of his government, which supports Turkey's entry into the EU.

The Swedish vote comes less than a week after the US House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee approved a similar resolution - by 23 votes to 22 - despite strong Turkish lobbying not to.

That vote also sparked anger from Turkey and the recall of its ambassador to Washington.

Historic argument

Moves between Turkey and Armenia to normalise relations have faltered recently.

Hundreds of thousands of Armenians died in 1915, when they were deported en masse from eastern Anatolia by the Ottoman Empire. They were killed by troops or died from starvation and disease.

Armenia says up to 1.5 million Armenians were killed, but Turkey says the figure is no more than one-third that and that many Turks died as well.

Turkey accepts that atrocities were committed but argues they were part of the war and that there was no systematic attempt to destroy the Christian Armenian people.

Armenia wants Turkey to recognise the killings as an act of genocide, but successive Turkish governments have refused to do so.

Armenians have campaigned for the killings to be recognised internationally as genocide - and more than 20 countries have done so.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8563483.stm

[Kikapu]

Turkey has withdrawn its ambassador to Sweden after the parliament voted narrowly to describe as genocide the killing of Armenians in World War I.

First the withdrawal of the Turkish Ambassador from Washington and now from Sweden on the same matter. Who's next.?

Pretty soon, if this keeps up, Turkey will have something in common with the "trnc", and that is, they will each have ONLY one ambassador attached away from home. Turkey's in the "trnc" and "trnc's" in Turkey.!!!

[DT.]

Turkey has withdrawn its ambassador to Sweden after the parliament voted narrowly to describe as genocide the killing of Armenians in World War I.

First the withdrawal of the Turkish Ambassador from Washington and now from Sweden on the same matter. Who's next.?

Pretty soon, if this keeps up, Turkey will have something in common with the "trnc", and that is, they will each have ONLY one ambassador attached away from home. Turkey's in the "trnc" and "trnc's" in Turkey.!!!

All they need now is for some Armenian/American Spielberg to make the movie and then you'll really see the fireworks

[Kikapu]

Turkey has withdrawn its ambassador to Sweden after the parliament voted narrowly to describe as genocide the killing of Armenians in World War I.

First the withdrawal of the Turkish Ambassador from Washington and now from Sweden on the same matter. Who's next.?

Pretty soon, if this keeps up, Turkey will have something in common with the "trnc", and that is, they will each have ONLY one ambassador attached away from home. Turkey's in the "trnc" and "trnc's" in Turkey.!!!

All they need now is for some Armenian/American Spielberg to make the movie and then you'll really see the fireworks

What would be the title of the movie, DT, "Armenian Express".??