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The fate of the some Armenians from the labour battalions, from Germans Rittmeister + Richter.

The other testimony comes from a German Cavalry
Captain (Rittmeister) who in the course of a ride from Diyarbekir to Urfa
had seen innumerable unburied corpses on both sides of the road. The
victims were disarmed Armenian labor battalion soldiers “whose throats
had been cut” (“mit durchschnittenen H¨alsen”).23
This practice of wholesale slaughter of Armenian conscripts was con-
firmed by Germany’s Vice-Consul at Erzurum, Scheubner Richter, a
Reserve Captain. In a 4 December 1916 report to Berlin, he declared
that General Halil (Kut), the uncle of War Minister Enver, ordered “the
massacre of his Armenian . . . battalions.”24 Halil’s policy of extermination
of the Armenian soldiers under his command is attested to by a
Turkish officer who was part of his First Expeditionary Force (formerly
the Fifth Expeditionary Force). As he stated, “All of the Armenian of-
ficers and soldiers of our Force were massacred by the order of Halil
Pa¸sa.”

The essay - The Armenian Genocide: an interpretation by Vahakn N. Dadrian
from the book - America and the Armenian Genocide of 1915, Edited by
Jay Winter

Google Books

[YFred]

Kikapu, I believe GR gave the answer you were looking for. Your response shows that you probably missed the point I was making, but never mind, I was only having a laugh.

Actually Bananiot, I saw the sarcasm in your post to GR, but that not withstanding, shouldn't you as a liberal be happy with the outcome of the vote in the states over the "Armenian Genocide" and come out and support it openly. Surely, it's the right thing to do. If the Americans, as the friends of Turkey can accept it as being a Genocide, surely there must be some merit that warrants as to what happened as being Genocide against the Armenians.!

Even Mustafa Kemal admitted that these these horrors took place. I think that these were even hinted at in his 'Buyuk Nutuk'. Nowadays in Turkey we see that all these terrors were denied, because they were not are almost all kept under the wraps. What can one say when they deny what Ataturk says. (if the quotes are true). Perrhaps if Turkey came clean, the Armenians would reciprocate about the Tashnak Soutyoun activities. Just like what is happening in Cyprus now to a lesser extent.

I think Turkey shouls swallow her pride then hope for the best. Look at Germany and Japan today. They are not doing bad are they.

Deniz, the reason why Japan and Germany have done so well after WW2 is that America rebuilt their economy so that they did not revert back to the 30s and then lead to another world war. It seems to me there is a lesson to be learned here. Instead of the roc suffocating the TRNC economy perhaps the allowing free trade and helping the economy to catch up with the roc may yield better results for the two communities. But unfortunately the blind cannot see. Instead they apply suffocation which can only lead to mistrust and strife.

[denizaksulu]

I have a very good Turkish friend in the US, who couple of years ago accepted the slaughter of the Armenians by then the Ottomans, but he did not want to call it genocide, just because that use of the word was only created after WWII, therefore, since the word "Genocide" was not in our vocabulary at the time of this atrocities taking place, then the word Genocide should not be used today according to him.!

At that time, his wife and I rolled our eyes as if to say, .....You What.???

But does he have a point with his explanation, however.???

Hey its the undercover GC

Ok I really dont know much about this so maybe someone can answer a few questions for me:

1 what was the population (numbers) of armenians in the ottoman empire the last time a census was taken before WW1

2. the Armenia diaspora now is mainly from the survivors of the 'genocide' is that right? what is the size of the diaspora population?

3. Does the figures that you correlate between one and two match up?

4. what is the proof that this was a systematic attempt to kill all the Armenians?

5. Why are the Armenian archives not open?

Do you really expect an answer from a south cypriot?

The hate peddler dares question anything with the bullshit that you post vre Homar

Hiya I know this maybe a very sensitive subject to you, but the questions that I ask are from a place of wanting to find out more not an attack in any way, could you answer them (if you want to of course)

No problem bro, I promise you I shall .

I trust your answer to DTA will be unbiassed.

It would also be good if you did not take Runaways bait. I know he has a filthy mouth and you retaliated, but he cant help it. You can.

Regards

ilk o hayvan dedi. rumsun, yaşlısın ve açık bir şekilde gerizekalısın.

Kouno Kefalos Your words do not hurt me, we know what you are, that is enough.

[denizaksulu]

Kikapu, I believe GR gave the answer you were looking for. Your response shows that you probably missed the point I was making, but never mind, I was only having a laugh.

Actually Bananiot, I saw the sarcasm in your post to GR, but that not withstanding, shouldn't you as a liberal be happy with the outcome of the vote in the states over the "Armenian Genocide" and come out and support it openly. Surely, it's the right thing to do. If the Americans, as the friends of Turkey can accept it as being a Genocide, surely there must be some merit that warrants as to what happened as being Genocide against the Armenians.!

Even Mustafa Kemal admitted that these these horrors took place. I think that these were even hinted at in his 'Buyuk Nutuk'. Nowadays in Turkey we see that all these terrors were denied, because they were not are almost all kept under the wraps. What can one say when they deny what Ataturk says. (if the quotes are true). Perrhaps if Turkey came clean, the Armenians would reciprocate about the Tashnak Soutyoun activities. Just like what is happening in Cyprus now to a lesser extent.

I think Turkey shouls swallow her pride then hope for the best. Look at Germany and Japan today. They are not doing bad are they.

Deniz, the reason why Japan and Germany have done so well after WW2 is that America rebuilt their economy so that they did not revert back to the 30s and then lead to another world war. It seems to me there is a lesson to be learned here. Instead of the roc suffocating the TRNC economy perhaps the allowing free trade and helping the economy to catch up with the roc may yield better results for the two communities. But unfortunately the blind cannot see. Instead they apply suffocation which can only lead to mistrust and strife.

I agree with what you say Yfred, but the blame for that rests not only with the GCs. Germany was completely broken as was the Japanese. Matters as simple as the Pentadaktylos flags and the TA, do not help in any way.

[YFred]

Kikapu, I believe GR gave the answer you were looking for. Your response shows that you probably missed the point I was making, but never mind, I was only having a laugh.

Actually Bananiot, I saw the sarcasm in your post to GR, but that not withstanding, shouldn't you as a liberal be happy with the outcome of the vote in the states over the "Armenian Genocide" and come out and support it openly. Surely, it's the right thing to do. If the Americans, as the friends of Turkey can accept it as being a Genocide, surely there must be some merit that warrants as to what happened as being Genocide against the Armenians.!

Even Mustafa Kemal admitted that these these horrors took place. I think that these were even hinted at in his 'Buyuk Nutuk'. Nowadays in Turkey we see that all these terrors were denied, because they were not are almost all kept under the wraps. What can one say when they deny what Ataturk says. (if the quotes are true). Perrhaps if Turkey came clean, the Armenians would reciprocate about the Tashnak Soutyoun activities. Just like what is happening in Cyprus now to a lesser extent.

I think Turkey shouls swallow her pride then hope for the best. Look at Germany and Japan today. They are not doing bad are they.

Deniz, the reason why Japan and Germany have done so well after WW2 is that America rebuilt their economy so that they did not revert back to the 30s and then lead to another world war. It seems to me there is a lesson to be learned here. Instead of the roc suffocating the TRNC economy perhaps the allowing free trade and helping the economy to catch up with the roc may yield better results for the two communities. But unfortunately the blind cannot see. Instead they apply suffocation which can only lead to mistrust and strife.

I agree with what you say Yfred, but the blame for that rests not only with the GCs. Germany was completely broken as was the Japanese. Matters as simple as the Pentadaktylos flags and the TA, do not help in any way.

I see all that as the consequence and not as a symptom. If TCs were allowed to prosper as much as the GCs then we wouldn't have half the problems of today. Whilst one grabs the other by the throat and refuses to let go I really cannot see how it can be resolved.

[Tim Drayton]

I have a very good Turkish friend in the US, who couple of years ago accepted the slaughter of the Armenians by then the Ottomans, but he did not want to call it genocide, just because that use of the word was only created after WWII, therefore, since the word "Genocide" was not in our vocabulary at the time of this atrocities taking place, then the word Genocide should not be used today according to him.!

At that time, his wife and I rolled our eyes as if to say, .....You What.???

But does he have a point with his explanation, however.???

Hey its the undercover GC

Ok I really dont know much about this so maybe someone can answer a few questions for me:

1 what was the population (numbers) of armenians in the ottoman empire the last time a census was taken before WW1

2. the Armenia diaspora now is mainly from the survivors of the 'genocide' is that right? what is the size of the diaspora population?

3. Does the figures that you correlate between one and two match up?

4. what is the proof that this was a systematic attempt to kill all the Armenians?

5. Why are the Armenian archives not open?

Do you really expect an answer from a south cypriot?

The hate peddler dares question anything with the bullshit that you post vre Homar

Hiya I know this maybe a very sensitive subject to you, but the questions that I ask are from a place of wanting to find out more not an attack in any way, could you answer them (if you want to of course)

No problem bro, I promise you I shall .

I trust your answer to DTA will be unbiassed.

It would also be good if you did not take Runaways bait. I know he has a filthy mouth and you retaliated, but he cant help it. You can.

Regards

ilk o hayvan dedi. rumsun, yaşlısın ve açık bir şekilde gerizekalısın.

Kouno Kefalos Your words do not hurt me, we know what you are, that is enough.

Hem de adi bir rumsun. rumca konuşarak düşmana yaranabilceğini sanıyorsun.Of course you know who I am. Ama senin ne olduğun belli değil. Onun için Türkiye'de senin gibilere kanı bozuk rum p.çi diyoruz köylü.

Coming from somebody who is by all accounts only half Turkish, that accusation is rich indeed.

[YFred]

I have a very good Turkish friend in the US, who couple of years ago accepted the slaughter of the Armenians by then the Ottomans, but he did not want to call it genocide, just because that use of the word was only created after WWII, therefore, since the word "Genocide" was not in our vocabulary at the time of this atrocities taking place, then the word Genocide should not be used today according to him.!

At that time, his wife and I rolled our eyes as if to say, .....You What.???

But does he have a point with his explanation, however.???

Hey its the undercover GC

Ok I really dont know much about this so maybe someone can answer a few questions for me:

1 what was the population (numbers) of armenians in the ottoman empire the last time a census was taken before WW1

2. the Armenia diaspora now is mainly from the survivors of the 'genocide' is that right? what is the size of the diaspora population?

3. Does the figures that you correlate between one and two match up?

4. what is the proof that this was a systematic attempt to kill all the Armenians?

5. Why are the Armenian archives not open?

Do you really expect an answer from a south cypriot?

The hate peddler dares question anything with the bullshit that you post vre Homar

Hiya I know this maybe a very sensitive subject to you, but the questions that I ask are from a place of wanting to find out more not an attack in any way, could you answer them (if you want to of course)

No problem bro, I promise you I shall .

I trust your answer to DTA will be unbiassed.

It would also be good if you did not take Runaways bait. I know he has a filthy mouth and you retaliated, but he cant help it. You can.

Regards

ilk o hayvan dedi. rumsun, yaşlısın ve açık bir şekilde gerizekalısın.

Kouno Kefalos Your words do not hurt me, we know what you are, that is enough.

Hem de adi bir rumsun. rumca konuşarak düşmana yaranabilceğini sanıyorsun.Of course you know who I am. Ama senin ne olduğun belli değil. Onun için Türkiye'de senin gibilere kanı bozuk rum p.çi diyoruz köylü.

Coming from somebody who is by all accounts only half Turkish, that accusation is rich indeed.

Ignorants will always show their ignorance. They just can't help it. It's in their nature and nurture.

[runaway]

I have a very good Turkish friend in the US, who couple of years ago accepted the slaughter of the Armenians by then the Ottomans, but he did not want to call it genocide, just because that use of the word was only created after WWII, therefore, since the word "Genocide" was not in our vocabulary at the time of this atrocities taking place, then the word Genocide should not be used today according to him.!

At that time, his wife and I rolled our eyes as if to say, .....You What.???

But does he have a point with his explanation, however.???

Hey its the undercover GC

Ok I really dont know much about this so maybe someone can answer a few questions for me:

1 what was the population (numbers) of armenians in the ottoman empire the last time a census was taken before WW1

2. the Armenia diaspora now is mainly from the survivors of the 'genocide' is that right? what is the size of the diaspora population?

3. Does the figures that you correlate between one and two match up?

4. what is the proof that this was a systematic attempt to kill all the Armenians?

5. Why are the Armenian archives not open?

Do you really expect an answer from a south cypriot?

The hate peddler dares question anything with the bullshit that you post vre Homar

Hiya I know this maybe a very sensitive subject to you, but the questions that I ask are from a place of wanting to find out more not an attack in any way, could you answer them (if you want to of course)

No problem bro, I promise you I shall .

I trust your answer to DTA will be unbiassed.

It would also be good if you did not take Runaways bait. I know he has a filthy mouth and you retaliated, but he cant help it. You can.

Regards

ilk o hayvan dedi. rumsun, yaşlısın ve açık bir şekilde gerizekalısın.

Kouno Kefalos Your words do not hurt me, we know what you are, that is enough.

Hem de adi bir rumsun. rumca konuşarak düşmana yaranabilceğini sanıyorsun.Of course you know who I am. Ama senin ne olduğun belli değil. Onun için Türkiye'de senin gibilere kanı bozuk rum p.çi diyoruz köylü.

Coming from somebody who is by all accounts only half Turkish, that accusation is rich indeed.

Ignorants will always show their ignorance. They just can't help it. It's in their nature and nurture.

Right. The guy can't even distinguish the difference between male and female Turkish names.

[denizaksulu]

I have a very good Turkish friend in the US, who couple of years ago accepted the slaughter of the Armenians by then the Ottomans, but he did not want to call it genocide, just because that use of the word was only created after WWII, therefore, since the word "Genocide" was not in our vocabulary at the time of this atrocities taking place, then the word Genocide should not be used today according to him.!

At that time, his wife and I rolled our eyes as if to say, .....You What.???

But does he have a point with his explanation, however.???

Hey its the undercover GC

Ok I really dont know much about this so maybe someone can answer a few questions for me:

1 what was the population (numbers) of armenians in the ottoman empire the last time a census was taken before WW1

2. the Armenia diaspora now is mainly from the survivors of the 'genocide' is that right? what is the size of the diaspora population?

3. Does the figures that you correlate between one and two match up?

4. what is the proof that this was a systematic attempt to kill all the Armenians?

5. Why are the Armenian archives not open?

Do you really expect an answer from a south cypriot?

The hate peddler dares question anything with the bullshit that you post vre Homar

Hiya I know this maybe a very sensitive subject to you, but the questions that I ask are from a place of wanting to find out more not an attack in any way, could you answer them (if you want to of course)

No problem bro, I promise you I shall .

I trust your answer to DTA will be unbiassed.

It would also be good if you did not take Runaways bait. I know he has a filthy mouth and you retaliated, but he cant help it. You can.

Regards

ilk o hayvan dedi. rumsun, yaşlısın ve açık bir şekilde gerizekalısın.

Kouno Kefalos Your words do not hurt me, we know what you are, that is enough.

Hem de adi bir rumsun. rumca konuşarak düşmana yaranabilceğini sanıyorsun.Of course you know who I am. Ama senin ne olduğun belli değil. Onun için Türkiye'de senin gibilere kanı bozuk rum p.çi diyoruz köylü.

Coming from somebody who is by all accounts only half Turkish, that accusation is rich indeed.

Ignorants will always show their ignorance. They just can't help it. It's in their nature and nurture.

Right. The guy can't even distinguish the difference between male and female Turkish names.

There are such thigs as 'unisex' names - like Deniz, Ilkay and obviously Ege (plus many more). But you dont know these things. If I say I knew a lady by the name of Ege, that is enough for me. What would I gain by denying that.

Kouno Kephalos is a Byzantine description of the Seldjuk Turks at the time of Malazgirt/Manzikert. If the description does not fit, then that shows that you are a right 'mongrel'. The same really.

[YFred]

I have a very good Turkish friend in the US, who couple of years ago accepted the slaughter of the Armenians by then the Ottomans, but he did not want to call it genocide, just because that use of the word was only created after WWII, therefore, since the word "Genocide" was not in our vocabulary at the time of this atrocities taking place, then the word Genocide should not be used today according to him.!

At that time, his wife and I rolled our eyes as if to say, .....You What.???

But does he have a point with his explanation, however.???

Hey its the undercover GC

Ok I really dont know much about this so maybe someone can answer a few questions for me:

1 what was the population (numbers) of armenians in the ottoman empire the last time a census was taken before WW1

2. the Armenia diaspora now is mainly from the survivors of the 'genocide' is that right? what is the size of the diaspora population?

3. Does the figures that you correlate between one and two match up?

4. what is the proof that this was a systematic attempt to kill all the Armenians?

5. Why are the Armenian archives not open?

Do you really expect an answer from a south cypriot?

The hate peddler dares question anything with the bullshit that you post vre Homar

Hiya I know this maybe a very sensitive subject to you, but the questions that I ask are from a place of wanting to find out more not an attack in any way, could you answer them (if you want to of course)

No problem bro, I promise you I shall .

I trust your answer to DTA will be unbiassed.

It would also be good if you did not take Runaways bait. I know he has a filthy mouth and you retaliated, but he cant help it. You can.

Regards

ilk o hayvan dedi. rumsun, yaşlısın ve açık bir şekilde gerizekalısın.

Kouno Kefalos Your words do not hurt me, we know what you are, that is enough.

Hem de adi bir rumsun. rumca konuşarak düşmana yaranabilceğini sanıyorsun.Of course you know who I am. Ama senin ne olduğun belli değil. Onun için Türkiye'de senin gibilere kanı bozuk rum p.çi diyoruz köylü.

Coming from somebody who is by all accounts only half Turkish, that accusation is rich indeed.

Ignorants will always show their ignorance. They just can't help it. It's in their nature and nurture.

Right. The guy can't even distinguish the difference between male and female Turkish names.

There are such thigs as 'unisex' names - like Deniz, Ilkay and obviously Ege (plus many more). But you dont know these things. If I say I knew a lady by the name of Ege, that is enough for me. What would I gain by denying that.

Kouno Kephalos is a Byzantine description of the Seldjuk Turks at the time of Malazgirt/Manzikert. If the description does not fit, then that shows that you are a right 'mongrel'. The same really.

Not forgetting Sultan.
Were the Selchuks slow on the uptake?