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Postby YFred » Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:47 pm

Get Real! wrote:Turkey, on Edge, Watches U.S. Vote on Armenia

ISTANBUL—A U.S. congressional vote on how to define the 1915 slaughter of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire, expected Thursday, is turning into a game of brinksmanship between the White House and Ankara.

In previous years, Congress has attempted to pass a resolution to recognize the Armenian events as genocide. Such a resolution would inflame Turkey and has brought vows from past U.S. administrations that they would block the bill, a nod to Turkey's role as a key ally of Washington in the Middle East.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 77622.html

This is about Ottoman Empire which no longer exists. What difference will it make one way or the other.
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Postby Oracle » Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:35 pm

More blackmail and threats by Turkey ... :roll:


U.S. Armenia genocide vote looms, angering Turkey

1 hour 44 mins ago

Susan Cornwell and Arshad Mohammed

A U.S. congressional panel headed on Thursday towards a vote on calling a 1915 massacre of Armenians by Ottoman forces genocide despite a plea from the Obama administration to drop the matter and defuse a dispute with Turkey.

The issue puts U.S. President Barack Obama between NATO ally Turkey, which rejects calling the events genocide, and an important U.S. Armenian-American constituency and their backers in Congress ahead of a November congressional election.

Turkey has said its ties with the United States would be damaged and that Ankara's efforts to normalise relations with Armenia could be endangered if the resolution is passed when the House Foreign Affairs Committee votes on Thursday.

One Turkish government official said Turkey was open to all options -- including the recall of its ambassador to Washington -- if the congressional panel approves the legislation.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton telephoned House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Howard Berman, a Democrat, on Wednesday to argue that the legislation could harm efforts to normalise Turkish-Armenian relations, the White House said.

"Secretary Clinton called Chairman Berman ... and in that conversation the secretary indicated that further congressional action could impede progress on normalization of relations," said National Security Council spokesman Mike Hammer.

Turkey and Armenia signed a protocol last year to normalise relations but the papers are yet to pass through the parliament of either country.

Turkey is an important ally whose help the United States needs to solve confrontations from Iran to Afghanistan.

Despite Clinton's appeal, Berman went ahead with a hearing on the issue.

"Turkey is a vital and, in most respects, a loyal ally of the United States in a volatile region," Berman, an influential member of Congress because of his chairmanship of the foreign affairs committee, said at the start of the hearing.

"Be that as it may, nothing justifies Turkey's turning a blind eye to the reality of the Armenian genocide," he added.

"Germany has accepted responsibility for the Holocaust. South Africa set up a Truth Commission to look at Apartheid. And here at home, we continue to grapple with the legacies of slavery and our horrendous treatment of Native Americans," he added.

"It is now time for Turkey to accept the reality of the Armenian genocide."

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Muslim Turkey accepts that many Christian Armenians were killed by Ottoman forces but denies that up to 1.5 million died and that it amounted to genocide -- a term employed by many Western historians and some foreign parliaments.

Rep. Dan Burton, an Indiana Republican, said there was "no question horrible things happened," but urged voting against the resolution.

"We need to have as many friends in that part of the world as possible. And Turkey has been a friend," Burton said.

The non-binding resolution, to be voted on by the House Foreign Affairs Committee, would call on Obama to ensure U.S. policy formally refers to the massacre as "genocide" and to use that term when he delivers his annual message on the issue in April -- something Obama avoided doing last year.

The panel approved a similar bill in 2007 but it was never put to a full House vote amid fears it would alienate Turkey.

Similar resolutions have been introduced in many past sessions of Congress but have never passed both houses. Ronald Reagan was the only U.S. president to publicly call the killings genocide.

(Additional reporting by Zerin Elci in Ankara, Writing by Thomas Grove and Arshad Mohammed; Editing by Doina Chiacu)

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Postby Malapapa » Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:26 pm

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Turkey has said its ties with the United States would be damaged and that Ankara's efforts to normalise relations with Armenia could be endangered if the resolution is passed when the House Foreign Affairs Committee votes on Thursday.

One Turkish government official said Turkey was open to all options -- including the recall of its ambassador to Washington -- if the congressional panel approves the legislation.


Their bluster must be ignored and their bluff called. Enough appeasement.
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Postby YFred » Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:38 pm

Malapapa wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Turkey has said its ties with the United States would be damaged and that Ankara's efforts to normalise relations with Armenia could be endangered if the resolution is passed when the House Foreign Affairs Committee votes on Thursday.

One Turkish government official said Turkey was open to all options -- including the recall of its ambassador to Washington -- if the congressional panel approves the legislation.


Their bluster must be ignored and their bluff called. Enough appeasement.

No one has answered what the fuck difference will it make if they do.
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Postby Malapapa » Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:48 pm

YFred wrote:
Malapapa wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Turkey has said its ties with the United States would be damaged and that Ankara's efforts to normalise relations with Armenia could be endangered if the resolution is passed when the House Foreign Affairs Committee votes on Thursday.

One Turkish government official said Turkey was open to all options -- including the recall of its ambassador to Washington -- if the congressional panel approves the legislation.


Their bluster must be ignored and their bluff called. Enough appeasement.

No one has answered what the fuck difference will it make if they do.


It's about time Turkey was brought kicking and screaming into the 21st century. Germany has paid reparations for its holocaust crimes.
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Postby YFred » Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:51 pm

Malapapa wrote:
YFred wrote:
Malapapa wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Turkey has said its ties with the United States would be damaged and that Ankara's efforts to normalise relations with Armenia could be endangered if the resolution is passed when the House Foreign Affairs Committee votes on Thursday.

One Turkish government official said Turkey was open to all options -- including the recall of its ambassador to Washington -- if the congressional panel approves the legislation.


Their bluster must be ignored and their bluff called. Enough appeasement.

No one has answered what the fuck difference will it make if they do.


It's about time Turkey was brought kicking and screaming into the 21st century. Germany has paid reparations for its holocaust crimes.

Do you really think that this vote will force Turkey to pay the Armenians for what the Osmanlis did to them?
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Postby Malapapa » Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:55 pm

YFred wrote:
Malapapa wrote:
YFred wrote:
Malapapa wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Turkey has said its ties with the United States would be damaged and that Ankara's efforts to normalise relations with Armenia could be endangered if the resolution is passed when the House Foreign Affairs Committee votes on Thursday.

One Turkish government official said Turkey was open to all options -- including the recall of its ambassador to Washington -- if the congressional panel approves the legislation.


Their bluster must be ignored and their bluff called. Enough appeasement.

No one has answered what the fuck difference will it make if they do.


It's about time Turkey was brought kicking and screaming into the 21st century. Germany has paid reparations for its holocaust crimes.

Do you really think that this vote will force Turkey to pay the Armenians for what the Osmanlis did to them?


No. Of course I don't. But Turkey should.
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Postby Oracle » Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:06 pm

YFred wrote:Do you really think that this vote will force Turkey to pay the Armenians for what the Osmanlis did to them?


You are the same people despite the name change!

... and it's not just about "money", barbarian!
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Postby Epiktitos » Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:25 pm

YFred wrote:
Malapapa wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Turkey has said its ties with the United States would be damaged and that Ankara's efforts to normalise relations with Armenia could be endangered if the resolution is passed when the House Foreign Affairs Committee votes on Thursday.

One Turkish government official said Turkey was open to all options -- including the recall of its ambassador to Washington -- if the congressional panel approves the legislation.


Their bluster must be ignored and their bluff called. Enough appeasement.

No one has answered what the fuck difference will it make if they do.

Because your question does not deserve to be dignified with an answer, fuckwit. If it makes no difference, what is the problem with other countries recognising the genocide as such?
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Postby kurupetos » Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:27 pm

YFred wrote:
Malapapa wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Turkey has said its ties with the United States would be damaged and that Ankara's efforts to normalise relations with Armenia could be endangered if the resolution is passed when the House Foreign Affairs Committee votes on Thursday.

One Turkish government official said Turkey was open to all options -- including the recall of its ambassador to Washington -- if the congressional panel approves the legislation.


Their bluster must be ignored and their bluff called. Enough appeasement.

No one has answered what the fuck difference will it make if they do.


Watch your filthy mouth lurucunt. :evil:
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