Piratis wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:Piratis wrote:MR-from-NG wrote:Get Real! wrote:MR-from-NG wrote:No, I accept no blame whatsoever, we are totally innocent of all that has happened since 1960.
It's funny you say that because we feel totally innocent since 1570 when something terrible happened...
Obviously Pissartists relentless piss-posts are working. So, its fine for me to be penalised for what happened 400 odd years back, if so then fuck me, I have a lot to answer for.
400 years back?
Today you are illegally occupying 1/3rd of Cyprus keeping 100s of thousands of people out of their homes.
Today is not "400 odd years back" is it?
You don't want to be blamed for what you are doing
today and yet you want to blame us for what happened about half a century ago, even though you are the ones who started the problems back then as well (in June 1958)? How come?
When we talk about 1571 we are not talking about something that you did once 439 years ago. We are talking about what you are doing
constantly - NON STOP since then and until
today.
And now you are looking for excuses to continue with more of the same crimes against us in the future as well, by repeating over and over your own distorted version of a single decade that happened half a century ago!
Piratis,
Please open your ears and your eyes and your mind and listen...
The TCs of today had nothing to do with what happened in 1571...
Cyprus was captured by the Ottomans,and most of our ancestors had no choice in the matter...Nobody asked them if they wanted Cyprus invaded...And nobody asked them if they wanted to go there to settle...They were ordered to do it and they knew better not to refuse..
The Ottoman rule ended in 1878...That is 132 years ago...How long do you need to move on? How can you talk about "doing it constantly...Non Stop since then"...??? Even in Ottoman times the majority of the TC people had nothing to do with State power...They were poor farmers and tradesmen who struggled to make a living and fed their families...Why are you so blind? You must know the difference between state power and the people subjected to that power...The TCs were as much the subjects of the Ottoman state/empire power as anybody else...Would the Iraqis be right to blame the ordinary Americans for what the American government and military are doing to them??? Why are you blaming the ordinary TCs for the Ottoman rule which ended in 1878???And why are you not prepared to look at our recent history,say from WWII onwards,which is much more relevant to what is happening today??? Do you believe that if you repeat your nonsensical arguments enough time they will become valid...Get some reality check,Piratis..Do yourself and us a favour...Take a good objective look at the ENOSIS dream,and the EOKA era,and all that was done in the name of Enosis since the 1950s...Because that is why we are where we are today...And if we want to get out of this mess people like yourself will have to eat humble pie and admit that it was all mindless and pointless and self destructive...Above all it was treacherous...
Accept your mistakes and pay the price...The price is the compromises you will have to make to see Cyprus reunited...There is no other way around it...
Bir, the Turks have been commiting crimes against us from the day they set their foot on our island until this very moment. We are talking about a
no-stop violence and oppression, and not merely something that happened "x years ago". It is something
constant.
The only time they stopped commiting crimes against us was for 80 years between 1878 and 1958. And during that time we lived together in peace. The Cypriot people during those years forgave you. They didn't demand that you had to "accept your mistakes and pay the price", otherwise we wouldn't have peace during those years either.
On the other hand, the Turks want to punish us for seeking nothing more than our freedom from foreign Imperialists. They did this in 1821:
During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.
And they did it again in 1958, helping the British Empire this time.
But according to Bir, the blame lies not with the invaders who came here to enslave and exploit the Cypriot people, but with the Cypriot people who wanted to be free like every other Greek island!!! There would be no need for any EOKA and any armed struggled if the foreign Imperialists (Ottomans and then British) had simply allowed the Cypriot people to freely and democratically choose the destiny of their own island. You come here to oppress and exploit us, and then you blame us because we revolt seeking our freedom? Ridiculous!
Then Bir goes on to say how innocent the "ordinary TC" is. But apparently he things that the ordinary GC is guilty. Every GC is guilty according to him, and all of us should now "pay the price"!!!
Unlike your demands against us, I do not demand that the "ordinary TC" should be punished and be made to "pay the price". I support that
all Cypriots should have the 100% of their human and democratic rights and be equal Cypriots without any racist or other discriminations.
We forgave you after 300+ years of brutal oppression against us, and this is why we managed to live in peace for those 80 years after the Ottoman rule ended. We didn't made you "pay the price". Similarly, we are again willing to forgive you and forgive the massive crimes you are commiting today and for the last several decades, so we can again live together in peace. Unfortunately you are trying to find excuses to continue with yet more crimes against us, by repeating your own distorted version of events that happened about half a century ago.
