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[Epiktitos]

You couldn't get more stupid than this Piratis. So, you think that serious political thinkers build their cases on wishful thinking ... one can only laugh.

I don't mean to be rude but is Piratis educated to University standard?

I don't know if one barely educated to primary school standard should be asking such pointed questions, unless of course you learned that much scrubbing toilets at your local university...

I'll have you know my university education took place in the Trahona Fields campus. It is an Open University, The course was Life and Survival and the specialist subject for the final thesis was how to avoid being shot at by your eoka bastards, which I got distinction in.

Is my understanding correct that your lack of an education is a significant source of your insecurity? Is that why you resort to childish nonsense and absurd personal attacks when faced with an argument you cannot even understand, let alone refute?

I have never insulted anybody who did not insult me first.

That's a bare faced lie. Your stupidity and very presence are an insult; the instant you walk into a room, there is a room full of people who are insulted.

[BirKibrisli]

By the way, I can't way for the "Islamic Republic of Turkey" to happen. That is the best thing that can happen for Greece and Cyprus and it will change the balance of power in the region in our favor.

Are you sure???
It is America that is creating the new superpower in the Middle East...
The Islamic Republic of Turkey...The Americans believe they will be moderately Islamic hence provide good leadership to the other more radical Islamic countries...The Americans will not hesitate to sacrifice Cyprus to advance their own interests in the region...You do not doubt that I hope...

the same superpower that just voted on genocide...........

Not at all...The Armenian genocide (if that is what it was,I don't know,I wasn't there and I am not a historian) happened during the Ottoman era...To be more precise,it happened as the Ottoman empire was collapsing around the ears of the Sultan...It was by then far from being a "superpower"...

[BirKibrisli]

Sorry Kikapu, but most Turkish Cypriots are just plain stupid as demonstrated here by Bir! He doesn’t get it and he never will…

And you think yourself very intelligent I suppose...
I don't want to get your snake oil,but with your level of intelligence,you will one day get what is coming to you...History-denial and repetition of insults will only get you into more and more trouble...If only your alcohol-soaked feeble brain could see that...

Kikapu, couldn’t have made it any clearer!

THERE IS NO INCENTIVE!

Do you now understand?

GR! Just read my posts when your brain is not suffering from too much alcohol...Kikapu got it wrong...The TC red lines are not related to the size of the TC constituent state...The incentive is that you stand to lose all 37% and possibly much more in the future...A new new world order is coming,but you are too preoccupied with your hatred of Turkey and the TCs to see it...The coming Islamic Republic of Turkey will make you wish you had accepted the AP back in 2004...It was the best deal you would ever get...It is all downhill for you from now on...But as I said your alcoholic haze will not let you see beyond the anger and hatred in your heart...

Bir, you are talking bullshit my friend. If those were the only Turkish "red lines" then we would have come to an agreement long long time ago.

Not only the TCs demand disproportionally large amounts of territory but they also demand disproportionally large amounts of power as well.

Basically they want to give us 8% of our own land back, and in return keep officially and legally the rest 29% that they stole from us, while at the same time go from 0% to 50% for the power sharing. Not a good deal for us at all.

Not only that, but you got the risk for the future in reverse.

Today and with the current status Turkey can create no excuse to intervene in the free parts of Cyprus. With a solution where she maintains her "guarantees" it will be much easier, and she can use the TC minority and her settlers to create problems as she did in 1963, as an excuse to invade again. Furthermore, with the TCs controlling the north coast of Cyprus, and with no kind of strict control between the "TC State" and the "GC state", it will be much easier for Turkey to float the whole of Cyprus with Anatolians.

So forget it if you think we will ever accept anything like Annan plan. there is no chance in a billion we will do that.

You have repeated it so many times that you must really believe it now,Piratis...It wasn't Turkey or the TCs who caused trouble in 1963...It was the GCs with their stupid demand for Enosis with Greece,and Makarios' fancy footwork to make it happen...
Keep on with your delusions and your paranoia,you are playing straight into Turkey's hands,arms,embrace...

What was stupid was your invasions against our island, not our right to be liberated like every other Greek island.

Furthermore in 1963 there was no demand for enosis, but democratic reforms that would remove from you some of the Ottoman Style privileges that you gained on our expense by collaborating with foreign Imperialists.

We are not going to let your small minority have such Ottoman kind of power and privileges over our island again. You will remain isolated in that one third of Cyprus and continue paying the price of your crimes, until you learn your lesson and accept to respect human rights and democracy.

You thought you had got us where you wanted us during 1963-74 as well,Piratis... You thought we would simply give up or disappear forever...You were proven wrong then,and you will be proven wrong again...It is not the TCs who need lessons in democracy and human rights...It is the fanatical GCs like yourself who need lessons in history and geopolitics...

[BirKibrisli]

You couldn't get more stupid than this Piratis. So, you think that serious political thinkers build their cases on wishful thinking ... one can only laugh.

Or else we would be crying...

[BirKibrisli]

You couldn't get more stupid than this Piratis. So, you think that serious political thinkers build their cases on wishful thinking ... one can only laugh.

That was not my thinking, but Bir's. I am not the one who said that Turkey will turn into an "Islamic Republic" soon. I simply said that I would welcome such development because it would be for the benefit of Cyprus.

Serious political thinkers do what is best for their people given the available options. Today the options are:

1) 2/3rds of Cyprus being Free and prosperous ruled by the Cypriot people in a democratic way, while at the same time maintaining all our rights over the the other 3rd and being able to inflict damage to our enemies.

2) Making the whole of Cyprus a puppet of Turkey under some undemocratic regime, while at the same time giving up all our rights over 1/3rd of Cyprus which will then become officially Turkish.

The choice between the 2 is obvious.

Would you care to explain to us how Cyprus would become "a puppet of Turkey under some undemocratic regime" if there is a BBF solution???
This fear might only be in your mind,Piratis...Talking about it might lighten your paranoia...

[BirKibrisli]

You couldn't get more stupid than this Piratis. So, you think that serious political thinkers build their cases on wishful thinking ... one can only laugh.

I don't mean to be rude but is Piratis educated to University standard?

I don't know if one barely educated to primary school standard should be asking such pointed questions, unless of course you learned that much scrubbing toilets at your local university...

I'll have you know my university education took place in the Trahona Fields campus. It is an Open University, The course was Life and Survival and the specialist subject for the final thesis was how to avoid being shot at by your eoka bastards, which I got distinction in.

Is my understanding correct that your lack of an education is a significant source of your insecurity? Is that why you resort to childish nonsense and absurd personal attacks when faced with an argument you cannot even understand, let alone refute?

I have never insulted anybody who did not insult me first.

That's a bare faced lie. Your stupidity and very presence are an insult; the instant you walk into a room, there is a room full of people who are insulted.

At least YFred can walk into a room...You,my friend,couldn't move a muscle,being an abortion gone wrong!

[Piratis]

You couldn't get more stupid than this Piratis. So, you think that serious political thinkers build their cases on wishful thinking ... one can only laugh.

That was not my thinking, but Bir's. I am not the one who said that Turkey will turn into an "Islamic Republic" soon. I simply said that I would welcome such development because it would be for the benefit of Cyprus.

Serious political thinkers do what is best for their people given the available options. Today the options are:

1) 2/3rds of Cyprus being Free and prosperous ruled by the Cypriot people in a democratic way, while at the same time maintaining all our rights over the the other 3rd and being able to inflict damage to our enemies.

2) Making the whole of Cyprus a puppet of Turkey under some undemocratic regime, while at the same time giving up all our rights over 1/3rd of Cyprus which will then become officially Turkish.

The choice between the 2 is obvious.

Would you care to explain to us how Cyprus would become "a puppet of Turkey under some undemocratic regime" if there is a BBF solution???
This fear might only be in your mind,Piratis...Talking about it might lighten your paranoia...

Not a paranoia at all dear Bir.

I am not talking about any BBF solution, but about something like Annan plan that would give to the Turkish minority the power to veto anything they want in Cyprus, and even direct executive power if we have something like rotating presidency.

Under such a "solution" the Turks (they will not be TCs anymore, since most of them will be Turkish settlers) would get much more than any other minority, which is way way more than what they deserve. They will know fully well that they got all that not because they deserved such powers, but because of the brute force applied by Turkey on the Cypriot people. Therefore your leadership will be indebted to Turkey. They will know that they got their position not because they were democratically elected to that position by the majority of the Cypriot people, but because of the undemocratic racist system that Turkey imposed in Cyprus. This means those people will serve the interests of Turkey first and above everything else.

This is what happens today and for the last several decades in the occupied areas. Your pseudo presidents and pseudo prime-ministers know that they own their positions to Turkey. This is why they serve the Turkish interests first and above everything else. Today the "trnc" is nothing more than a pseudo puppet state of Turkey. If we accept something like the Annan plan, then the puppets of Turkey will get the power to control the whole of Cyprus, against the will of the vast majority of the Cypriot people.

So forget about it my friend. This is our island and we will rule it in a democratic way. 2/3rds of our island free is much better than enslaving the whole of it and giving control to Turkey and her puppets. The aim is to liberate the 1/3rd still under foreign occupation, not to make the whole island enslaved again!

[BirKibrisli]

You couldn't get more stupid than this Piratis. So, you think that serious political thinkers build their cases on wishful thinking ... one can only laugh.

That was not my thinking, but Bir's. I am not the one who said that Turkey will turn into an "Islamic Republic" soon. I simply said that I would welcome such development because it would be for the benefit of Cyprus.

Serious political thinkers do what is best for their people given the available options. Today the options are:

1) 2/3rds of Cyprus being Free and prosperous ruled by the Cypriot people in a democratic way, while at the same time maintaining all our rights over the the other 3rd and being able to inflict damage to our enemies.

2) Making the whole of Cyprus a puppet of Turkey under some undemocratic regime, while at the same time giving up all our rights over 1/3rd of Cyprus which will then become officially Turkish.

The choice between the 2 is obvious.

Would you care to explain to us how Cyprus would become "a puppet of Turkey under some undemocratic regime" if there is a BBF solution???
This fear might only be in your mind,Piratis...Talking about it might lighten your paranoia...

Not a paranoia at all dear Bir.

I am not talking about any BBF solution, but about something like Annan plan that would give to the Turkish minority the power to veto anything they want in Cyprus, and even direct executive power if we have something like rotating presidency.

Under such a "solution" the Turks (they will not be TCs anymore, since most of them will be Turkish settlers) would get much more than any other minority, which is way way more than what they deserve. They will know fully well that they got all that not because they deserved such powers, but because of the brute force applied by Turkey on the Cypriot people. Therefore your leadership will be indebted to Turkey. They will know that they got their position not because they were democratically elected to that position by the majority of the Cypriot people, but because of the undemocratic racist system that Turkey imposed in Cyprus. This means those people will serve the interests of Turkey first and above everything else.

This is what happens today and for the last several decades in the occupied areas. Your pseudo presidents and pseudo prime-ministers know that they own their positions to Turkey. This is why they serve the Turkish interests first and above everything else. Today the "trnc" is nothing more than a pseudo puppet state of Turkey. If we accept something like the Annan plan, then the puppets of Turkey will get the power to control the whole of Cyprus, against the will of the vast majority of the Cypriot people.

So forget about it my friend. This is our island and we will rule it in a democratic way. 2/3rds of our island free is much better than enslaving the whole of it and giving control to Turkey and her puppets. The aim is to liberate the 1/3rd still under foreign occupation, not to make the whole island enslaved again!

Can you briefly describe a BBF version which will not give Turkey or the TCs some influence in Cyprus???

[Piratis]

You couldn't get more stupid than this Piratis. So, you think that serious political thinkers build their cases on wishful thinking ... one can only laugh.

That was not my thinking, but Bir's. I am not the one who said that Turkey will turn into an "Islamic Republic" soon. I simply said that I would welcome such development because it would be for the benefit of Cyprus.

Serious political thinkers do what is best for their people given the available options. Today the options are:

1) 2/3rds of Cyprus being Free and prosperous ruled by the Cypriot people in a democratic way, while at the same time maintaining all our rights over the the other 3rd and being able to inflict damage to our enemies.

2) Making the whole of Cyprus a puppet of Turkey under some undemocratic regime, while at the same time giving up all our rights over 1/3rd of Cyprus which will then become officially Turkish.

The choice between the 2 is obvious.

Would you care to explain to us how Cyprus would become "a puppet of Turkey under some undemocratic regime" if there is a BBF solution???
This fear might only be in your mind,Piratis...Talking about it might lighten your paranoia...

Not a paranoia at all dear Bir.

I am not talking about any BBF solution, but about something like Annan plan that would give to the Turkish minority the power to veto anything they want in Cyprus, and even direct executive power if we have something like rotating presidency.

Under such a "solution" the Turks (they will not be TCs anymore, since most of them will be Turkish settlers) would get much more than any other minority, which is way way more than what they deserve. They will know fully well that they got all that not because they deserved such powers, but because of the brute force applied by Turkey on the Cypriot people. Therefore your leadership will be indebted to Turkey. They will know that they got their position not because they were democratically elected to that position by the majority of the Cypriot people, but because of the undemocratic racist system that Turkey imposed in Cyprus. This means those people will serve the interests of Turkey first and above everything else.

This is what happens today and for the last several decades in the occupied areas. Your pseudo presidents and pseudo prime-ministers know that they own their positions to Turkey. This is why they serve the Turkish interests first and above everything else. Today the "trnc" is nothing more than a pseudo puppet state of Turkey. If we accept something like the Annan plan, then the puppets of Turkey will get the power to control the whole of Cyprus, against the will of the vast majority of the Cypriot people.

So forget about it my friend. This is our island and we will rule it in a democratic way. 2/3rds of our island free is much better than enslaving the whole of it and giving control to Turkey and her puppets. The aim is to liberate the 1/3rd still under foreign occupation, not to make the whole island enslaved again!

Can you briefly describe a BBF version which will not give Turkey or the TCs some influence in Cyprus???

I am not talking about "some influence" but about controlling influence.

The TCs can have a proportional influence and Turkey which is a foreign country should have no influence at all, either directly or indirectly.

A BBF which can be acceptable is one where the TCs control one of the two component states (sized at about 18% of land and coastline), but do not have controlling power over the central government. The central government should be elected democratically by the whole population. (in which case the influence of the TCs will be proportional to their population). The only thing that TCs can have veto power is changes to the agreed constitution.

[BirKibrisli]

You couldn't get more stupid than this Piratis. So, you think that serious political thinkers build their cases on wishful thinking ... one can only laugh.

That was not my thinking, but Bir's. I am not the one who said that Turkey will turn into an "Islamic Republic" soon. I simply said that I would welcome such development because it would be for the benefit of Cyprus.

Serious political thinkers do what is best for their people given the available options. Today the options are:

1) 2/3rds of Cyprus being Free and prosperous ruled by the Cypriot people in a democratic way, while at the same time maintaining all our rights over the the other 3rd and being able to inflict damage to our enemies.

2) Making the whole of Cyprus a puppet of Turkey under some undemocratic regime, while at the same time giving up all our rights over 1/3rd of Cyprus which will then become officially Turkish.

The choice between the 2 is obvious.

Would you care to explain to us how Cyprus would become "a puppet of Turkey under some undemocratic regime" if there is a BBF solution???
This fear might only be in your mind,Piratis...Talking about it might lighten your paranoia...

Not a paranoia at all dear Bir.

I am not talking about any BBF solution, but about something like Annan plan that would give to the Turkish minority the power to veto anything they want in Cyprus, and even direct executive power if we have something like rotating presidency.

Under such a "solution" the Turks (they will not be TCs anymore, since most of them will be Turkish settlers) would get much more than any other minority, which is way way more than what they deserve. They will know fully well that they got all that not because they deserved such powers, but because of the brute force applied by Turkey on the Cypriot people. Therefore your leadership will be indebted to Turkey. They will know that they got their position not because they were democratically elected to that position by the majority of the Cypriot people, but because of the undemocratic racist system that Turkey imposed in Cyprus. This means those people will serve the interests of Turkey first and above everything else.

This is what happens today and for the last several decades in the occupied areas. Your pseudo presidents and pseudo prime-ministers know that they own their positions to Turkey. This is why they serve the Turkish interests first and above everything else. Today the "trnc" is nothing more than a pseudo puppet state of Turkey. If we accept something like the Annan plan, then the puppets of Turkey will get the power to control the whole of Cyprus, against the will of the vast majority of the Cypriot people.

So forget about it my friend. This is our island and we will rule it in a democratic way. 2/3rds of our island free is much better than enslaving the whole of it and giving control to Turkey and her puppets. The aim is to liberate the 1/3rd still under foreign occupation, not to make the whole island enslaved again!

Can you briefly describe a BBF version which will not give Turkey or the TCs some influence in Cyprus???

I am not talking about "some influence" but about controlling influence.

The TCs can have a proportional influence and Turkey which is a foreign country should have no influence at all, either directly or indirectly.

A BBF which can be acceptable is one where the TCs control one of the two component states (sized at about 18% of land and coastline), but do not have controlling power over the central government. The central government should be elected democratically by the whole population. (in which case the influence of the TCs will be proportional to their population). The only thing that TCs can have veto power is changes to the agreed constitution.

So what you really want is Partition...Because there is no way you will fit all the returning GCs and the TCs into 18%...You don't want the GCs and TCs to live together,why? because you know no GC will return to live in the TC constituent state??? god forbid if any GC would want to live in TC controlled area...You are still trying to get one up over the TCs ,Piratis...You are incurable... good luck!