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[Piratis]

And again, Piratis writes :

"What is sick is your invasions against our island, and you imposing by force your will on the Cypriot people."

He accuses another person who is TC of invading his island and of that same TC of imposing by force his will.... Again from a virtual individual Piratis assigns responsibility for a historical crime which the virtual individual couldnot have committed. Armed with that virtual and fictional crime Piratis then turns round and accuses real living TCs of their commission. Not content with this interminable bullshit, in some attempt at distraction, Piratis invents another equally tendentious target from his febrile imagination.

Neither the crime nor your support for this crime is fictional. So stop farting.

[DTA]

It is not about who "ruled" Cyprus. Greeks are the vast majority of the native population of this island, and this is what counts. We are not living in the age of empires. Or are you another person with a mentality from the middle ages?

Ok I understand what you are saying, but just for historical accuracy what is teh answer?

The Greek Cypriots are the majority of the whole island, even if the Turkish troops illegally prevent them to inhabit part of their homeland at this time.

That those really not stand up to the point does it. Turkish people would be the Majority in Greece if the Greek army let it just move a quarter of its population there - The fact remains that The TC are the majority in the North.

TCs are the minority, and they have always been so. Even when TCs lived in the southern part of the island they were again the minority.

Not in the North they are not today, they are the overwhelming majority.

Ethnic cleansing is when the population is forcefully removed, which is what happened with the GC refugees.

How many GCs were (and this by your own definition of forcefully removed) ethnically cleansed?

because the 45,000 in Maras have to be discounted straight away because they left before the Turkish Army got there. So how many were forcefully removed removed and how many left because they were advised to do so by GC or just fear?

Tell me about the population exchange? what was the 'deal'?

Partition has been the aim of TCs since the 1950s.

By the same token you can say the extermination of the TC population has been the aim of GC since the '60s and enosis before that, even before taksim was talked about.

The TCs were not forcefully removed, they went to the occupied areas to take twice as much than what they left behind and in this way fulfill their own aim.

Some got far less than they had in the south, some far more.

But you are not being completely truthful here are you? in the 1975 population exchange (which you can tell me more about) the TCs of the south had no idea that they were going to be given deeds to GC property in fact I think that only happened in the 80s (but I might be mistaken).

[Piratis]

It is not about who "ruled" Cyprus. Greeks are the vast majority of the native population of this island, and this is what counts. We are not living in the age of empires. Or are you another person with a mentality from the middle ages?

Ok I understand what you are saying, but just for historical accuracy what is teh answer?

We are free to rule democratically 2/3rd of our island today. Sooner or later the rest of the island will be liberated as well.

The Greek Cypriots are the majority of the whole island, even if the Turkish troops illegally prevent them to inhabit part of their homeland at this time.

That those really not stand up to the point does it. Turkish people would be the Majority in Greece if the Greek army let it just move a quarter of its population there - The fact remains that The TC are the majority in the North.

Illegally. You have no rights over the land you illegally occupy.

TCs are the minority, and they have always been so. Even when TCs lived in the southern part of the island they were again the minority.

Not in the North they are not today, they are the overwhelming majority.

Illegally. You have no rights over the land you illegally occupy.

Ethnic cleansing is when the population is forcefully removed, which is what happened with the GC refugees.

How many GCs were (and this by your own definition of forcefully removed) ethnically cleansed?

because the 45,000 in Maras have to be discounted straight away because they left before the Turkish Army got there. So how many were forcefully removed removed and how many left because they were advised to do so by GC or just fear?

Tell me about the population exchange? what was the 'deal'?

There was never any population exchange. People leaving their homeland because of valid fear for their lives due to a foreign invasion is ethnic cleansing.

Not to mention that they were never allowed to return.

Partition has been the aim of TCs since the 1950s.

By the same token you can say the extermination of the TC population has been the aim of GC since the '60s and enosis before that, even before taksim was talked about.

Wrong. The aim of GCs was to free Cyprus from foreign Imperialists, as it happened to all other Greek islands. We had no problem with the TC minority staying on the island. The TC minority became the enemy only after they attacked us and started to demand our annihilation from half of our island.

The TCs were not forcefully removed, they went to the occupied areas to take twice as much than what they left behind and in this way fulfill their own aim.

Some got far less than they had in the south, some far more.

But you are not being completely truthful here are you? in the 1975 population exchange (which you can tell me more about) the TCs of the south had no idea that they were going to be given deeds to GC property in fact I think that only happened in the 80s (but I might be mistaken).

There was never a "population exchange".

[DTA]

It is not about who "ruled" Cyprus. Greeks are the vast majority of the native population of this island, and this is what counts. We are not living in the age of empires. Or are you another person with a mentality from the middle ages?

Ok I understand what you are saying, but just for historical accuracy what is teh answer?

We are free to rule democratically 2/3rd of our island today. Sooner or later the rest of the island will be liberated as well.

That does not answer the question that I asked, does it?

The Greek Cypriots are the majority of the whole island, even if the Turkish troops illegally prevent them to inhabit part of their homeland at this time.

That those really not stand up to the point does it. Turkish people would be the Majority in Greece if the Greek army let it just move a quarter of its population there - The fact remains that The TC are the majority in the North.

Illegally. You have no rights over the land you illegally occupy.

In relation to privately owned land? or to the whole of North cyprus?

TCs are the minority, and they have always been so. Even when TCs lived in the southern part of the island they were again the minority.

Not in the North they are not today, they are the overwhelming majority.

Illegally. You have no rights over the land you illegally occupy.

Ethnic cleansing is when the population is forcefully removed, which is what happened with the GC refugees.

How many GCs were (and this by your own definition of forcefully removed) ethnically cleansed?

because the 45,000 in Maras have to be discounted straight away because they left before the Turkish Army got there. So how many were forcefully removed removed and how many left because they were advised to do so by GC or just fear?

Tell me about the population exchange? what was the 'deal'?

There was never any population exchange. People leaving their homeland because of valid fear for their lives due to a foreign invasion is ethnic cleansing.

So you are changing the goal posts of what you define ethnic cleansing to be, because you said in your previous post "forcefully removed).

Therefore you have to admit that the forcing of TC in to enclaves was ethnic Cleansing by the GCs?

Not to mention that they were never allowed to return.

Before the boarder opened were we allowed to return to our homes in the south, are we given our full human rights in terms of property in the ROC (or do we have to live there for 6 months?)

Partition has been the aim of TCs since the 1950s.

By the same token you can say the extermination of the TC population has been the aim of GC since the '60s and enosis before that, even before taksim was talked about.

Wrong. The aim of GCs was to free Cyprus from foreign Imperialists, as it happened to all other Greek islands. We had no problem with the TC minority staying on the island. The TC minority became the enemy only after they attacked us and started to demand our annihilation from half of our island.

What was the Akritas and iphedos (spelling???) plan about then?

The TCs were not forcefully removed, they went to the occupied areas to take twice as much than what they left behind and in this way fulfill their own aim.

Some got far less than they had in the south, some far more.

But you are not being completely truthful here are you? in the 1975 population exchange (which you can tell me more about) the TCs of the south had no idea that they were going to be given deeds to GC property in fact I think that only happened in the 80s (but I might be mistaken).

There was never a "population exchange".

Really I thought there was some kind of population exchange, but maybe I am wrong, still you did not tell me why the TC from the south just left

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[growuptcs]

DTA:

Really I thought there was some kind of population exchange, but maybe I am wrong, still you did not tell me why the TC from the south just left

Being ignorant doesn't solidify the "trnc" DTA. They left on their own to go to the north because of instructions from the biggest ethnic cleansers of the 20th century which happens to be their kind.

[DTA]

DTA:

Really I thought there was some kind of population exchange, but maybe I am wrong, still you did not tell me why the TC from the south just left

Being ignorant doesn't solidify the "trnc" DTA. They left on their own to go to the north because of instructions from the biggest ethnic cleansers of the 20th century which happens to be their kind.

And you know this how? did they not fear for there lives as well?

[growuptcs]

DTA:

Really I thought there was some kind of population exchange, but maybe I am wrong, still you did not tell me why the TC from the south just left

Being ignorant doesn't solidify the "trnc" DTA. They left on their own to go to the north because of instructions from the biggest ethnic cleansers of the 20th century which happens to be their kind.

And you know this how? did they not fear for there lives as well?

I know this because my parents lived there before the cleansing. They weren't sent there to work and be counted on as a vote.

[DTA]

DTA:

Really I thought there was some kind of population exchange, but maybe I am wrong, still you did not tell me why the TC from the south just left

Being ignorant doesn't solidify the "trnc" DTA. They left on their own to go to the north because of instructions from the biggest ethnic cleansers of the 20th century which happens to be their kind.

And you know this how? did they not fear for there lives as well?

I know this because my parents lived there before the cleansing. They weren't sent there to work and be counted on as a vote.

How does this explain whether the TCs felt like they were safe to remain in the greek side of cyprus

[growuptcs]

DTA:

Really I thought there was some kind of population exchange, but maybe I am wrong, still you did not tell me why the TC from the south just left

Being ignorant doesn't solidify the "trnc" DTA. They left on their own to go to the north because of instructions from the biggest ethnic cleansers of the 20th century which happens to be their kind.

And you know this how? did they not fear for there lives as well?

I know this because my parents lived there before the cleansing. They weren't sent there to work and be counted on as a vote.

How does this explain whether the TCs felt like they were safe to remain in the greek side of cyprus

Stop with your smokescreens man. TC's played to Turkeys tune, and they still are to this day. Stop acting like a pawn, with your ignorant style of trying to learn how the TC's felt.

[YFred]

DTA:

Really I thought there was some kind of population exchange, but maybe I am wrong, still you did not tell me why the TC from the south just left

Being ignorant doesn't solidify the "trnc" DTA. They left on their own to go to the north because of instructions from the biggest ethnic cleansers of the 20th century which happens to be their kind.

And you know this how? did they not fear for there lives as well?

I know this because my parents lived there before the cleansing. They weren't sent there to work and be counted on as a vote.

How does this explain whether the TCs felt like they were safe to remain in the greek side of cyprus

Stop with your smokescreens man. TC's played to Turkeys tune, and they still are to this day. Stop acting like a pawn, with your ignorant style of trying to learn how the TC's felt.

How would you know? Where were you between 1963 and 1974?