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How Cyprus keeps Turkey in the dark ages…

In 2005: Cyprus Vetoes EU-Caucasus Relations
http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/20255 ... tions.html

In 2006: Cyprus vetoes Turkey's talks to gain EU entry
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/ju ... rus.turkey

In 2008: Cyprus vetoed Turkey's membership to the European Defense Agency
http://www.abhaber.com/english/haber.php?id=4020

In 2010: Nicosia vetoes Turkey exercise bid
http://www.cyprusweekly.com.cy/main/92, ... 6313-.aspx

And much more than I can be bothered to post...

[observer]

I'm not sure whether you are boasting or criticising RoC government.

In the first case, the last words of the first paragraph of the link say it all: "Greek Cyprus put veto on EU-Azerbaijan negotiations within the framework of "Enlarged Europe. New Neighborhood" as the latter launched air communications with the unrecognized Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) in July. The European neighborhood initiative is designed for the three South Caucasian states (Azerbaijan, Armenia and Georgia). Therefore EU postponed negotiations with all of these three countries because of the Greek Cyprus. The Armenian media argued that the EU betrayed its own principles by punishing the region."

The second case has been raked over many times.

In the third case, the European Defence Agency is nothing compared with NATO. EDA is only a pointless talking shop. I can't think of anything real it has ever done. If Cyprus is keeping Turkey out of EDA I can't imagine anyone in Turkey being too worried.

In the final case "Nicosia: Cyprus has blocked efforts by NATO to allow Turkey to participate in European Union military exercises." I think that Cyprus Weekly has got a little over excited here. Turkey has taken part in NATO exercises for years, is still doing so, and is currently a major contributor to the NATO ISAF in Afghanistan, having commanded it in the past. I don't think that they were ever going to get involved in EU military exercises as they are rather insignificant compared with NATO exercises.

[miltiades]

I don't think that they were ever going to get involved in EU military exercises as they are rather insignificant compared with NATO exercises.

At the moment !!

[YFred]

I don't think that they were ever going to get involved in EU military exercises as they are rather insignificant compared with NATO exercises.

At the moment !!

Come on Milti, can Cyprus ever become militarily significant to any organisation other than offering bases in the med?
Can we be realistic in our capabilities please?

[observer]

If you really think that the addition of Malta and RoC to the core EU members of NATO is going to counterbalance the absence of USA, Canada and Turkey, then I genuinely admire your optimism!!

Here's the description of the EU's largest military exercise last year:

The European Union (EU) will conduct its fourth military exercise (MILEX 09)1 from 17 to 26 June 2009 in the framework of the European Security and Defence Policy (ESDP).
MILEX 09 is a Command Post Exercise (CPX) and will focus on key military aspects of crisis management. No troops will be deployed. During the conduct of the exercise, the EUOperation Headquarters (OHQ) i n Larissa (EL) will be activated for the first time.
The exercise will focus on the interaction between the EU Operation Headquarters (OHQ) in Larissa (Greece) and the EU Force Headquarters (FHQ) in Naples (Italy), in the context of an autonomous EU-led military operation

[miltiades]

I don't think that they were ever going to get involved in EU military exercises as they are rather insignificant compared with NATO exercises.

At the moment !!

Come on Milti, can Cyprus ever become militarily significant to any organisation other than offering bases in the med?
Can we be realistic in our capabilities please?

Sometime in the not too distant future the EU will emerge as the new world superpower . Cyprus as well as all other EU member nations will by definition become a part of that European and world superpower.
On a related topic , the recent financial predicaments of Greece that some suggested might signal the ...end of the mighty Euro , have proven that the EU is a financial superpower right now and challenging the US $ emerging as the new currency of the world. Who is to say that in 5 , 10 or more years the EU will not become the military superpower ?

[YFred]

I don't think that they were ever going to get involved in EU military exercises as they are rather insignificant compared with NATO exercises.

At the moment !!

Come on Milti, can Cyprus ever become militarily significant to any organisation other than offering bases in the med?
Can we be realistic in our capabilities please?

Sometime in the not too distant future the EU will emerge as the new world superpower . Cyprus as well as all other EU member nations will by definition become a part of that European and world superpower.
On a related topic , the recent financial predicaments of Greece that some suggested might signal the ...end of the mighty Euro , have proven that the EU is a financial superpower right now and challenging the US $ emerging as the new currency of the world. Who is to say that in 5 , 10 or more years the EU will not become the military superpower ?

No matter what happens to the eu and that is debateable; the relevance of Cyprus will always be insignificant compared to super powers. When we are invited to the dinner table we must know our place. Just because we sit at the table, does not give us equal power. Power is economic first and military second.
We should aim to demilitarise Cyprus so such atrocities can never happen again.

[londoner]

I don't think that they were ever going to get involved in EU military exercises as they are rather insignificant compared with NATO exercises.

At the moment !!

Come on Milti, can Cyprus ever become militarily significant to any organisation other than offering bases in the med?
Can we be realistic in our capabilities please?

Sometime in the not too distant future the EU will emerge as the new world superpower . Cyprus as well as all other EU member nations will by definition become a part of that European and world superpower.
On a related topic , the recent financial predicaments of Greece that some suggested might signal the ...end of the mighty Euro , have proven that the EU is a financial superpower right now and challenging the US $ emerging as the new currency of the world. Who is to say that in 5 , 10 or more years the EU will not become the military superpower ?

China is emerging as the next world superpower not Europe

[YFred]

I don't think that they were ever going to get involved in EU military exercises as they are rather insignificant compared with NATO exercises.

At the moment !!

Come on Milti, can Cyprus ever become militarily significant to any organisation other than offering bases in the med?
Can we be realistic in our capabilities please?

Sometime in the not too distant future the EU will emerge as the new world superpower . Cyprus as well as all other EU member nations will by definition become a part of that European and world superpower.
On a related topic , the recent financial predicaments of Greece that some suggested might signal the ...end of the mighty Euro , have proven that the EU is a financial superpower right now and challenging the US $ emerging as the new currency of the world. Who is to say that in 5 , 10 or more years the EU will not become the military superpower ?

China is emerging as the next world superpower not Europe

She is an economic superpower. She does not need any other weapons, and can bunkrupt US if she chooses, but does not. That is kindness for you.

[miltiades]

I don't think that they were ever going to get involved in EU military exercises as they are rather insignificant compared with NATO exercises.

At the moment !!

Come on Milti, can Cyprus ever become militarily significant to any organisation other than offering bases in the med?
Can we be realistic in our capabilities please?

Sometime in the not too distant future the EU will emerge as the new world superpower . Cyprus as well as all other EU member nations will by definition become a part of that European and world superpower.
On a related topic , the recent financial predicaments of Greece that some suggested might signal the ...end of the mighty Euro , have proven that the EU is a financial superpower right now and challenging the US $ emerging as the new currency of the world. Who is to say that in 5 , 10 or more years the EU will not become the military superpower ?

No matter what happens to the eu and that is debateable; the relevance of Cyprus will always be insignificant compared to super powers. When we are invited to the dinner table we must know our place. Just because we sit at the table, does not give us equal power. Power is economic first and military second.
We should aim to demilitarise Cyprus so such atrocities can never happen again.

Fred , you know full well where I stand .
The fact remains that regardless how " insignificant " Cyprus might be , Cyprus is a part of the wider European Union. Fact .
At the moment the EU determines most of a nation's contact in commerce , agricalture and every other activity that the nation engages in.
In future , military commitment will be established whether we like it or not we are now a part of the EU .