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[DT.]

All deaths from atrocities whether they were committed by EOKA-B, TMT or the Turkish Millitary are tragedies. SO far 400 GC bodies 51 TC bodies have been discovered in mass graves.

A decent person would look at these numbers and feel disgusted, horrified and shocked. A decent person would not care who was the TC or who was the GC, they were all executed in a horrific way.

I've posted these numbers not to prove a point about the number of GC's versus the number of TC's. I posted them so people can take a good look at these 450 tragic stories, and if you're going to use them and post them then do so with respect and fairness to all.

Instead, this is what Bananiot has been doing for the last 2 years. All to prove a point against the Greek Cypriot community, whose innocents died "because they deserved it, or because they started it, or because they had bad leaders, or, or, or....." At the same time he has diluted a tragic tc story to the point that on every post that this man decides to recurgitate this story in order to win some insignificant debate point, he has managed to turn this into a "routine" story of this forum.

Well done Bananiot on behalf of the GC's you've forgotten and the TC's you've used.

Wed Feb 24, 2010

I wrote that in January 1964 we would take sick people from their Nicosia General Hospital beds, execute them and throw them into wells (Kutlai Erk's father was one of them) and GR asked for a creditable link!

Wed Jan 06, 2010

Dragging sick people out of hospital beds and murdering them could only widen the gap between the two communities and light up feelings of hatred

Sat Dec 26, 2009

stress this point, by referring to Kutlai Erk's father, who in January 1964, was dragged out of his hospital bed (treated for heart attack) and later found in a well at Parissinos.

Fri Nov 13, 2009

like the father of Kutlai Erk, who was dragged out of sick bed in Nicosia General Hospital and executed in cold blood.

Wed May 20, 2009

funeral service of Kutlay Erk's father. Arif was taken from his hospital bed in early 1964 and thrown down a well in Makedonitissa after he as shot on the head.

Tue Mar 17, 2009

Thus, Erk´s father who was dragged out of hospital bed, shot and thrown into a well

Tue Feb 24, 2009

saw us taking sick people from hospital beds and execute them

Mon Jan 19, 2009

members of which were responsible for taking sick, innocent TC's away from their hospital beds and execute them

Wed Dec 31, 2008

Have you, or anyone else, shed a tear for the tragic hospital patients who were dragged from their hospital beds and executed like stray dogs and thrown into wells?

Mon Dec 08, 2008

We thought that by taking sick people out of their hospital beds and throwing them down wells, we were serving our national cause

Mon Nov 17, 2008

we went on a murder spree, taking people out of thier hospital beds and throwing them down wells.

Tue Oct 14, 2008

when we were dragging patients out of hospital beds and executing them in cold blood.

Mon Sep 08, 2008

We took patients out of their hospital beds in 1963 and threw them down wells, after we put a bullet in their head.

Mon Apr 28, 2008

my God, we even took patients out of Nicosia General Hospital and executed them in January 1964, just because they were Turkish Cypriots).

[Viewpoint]

Could you detail how many times Piratis has repeated the you started it story with Youtube attached.

[londoner]

Great post DT and in addition to the tragedy surrounding each story of a missing TC or GC or should we just say Cypriot - between December 1963 and August 1964 several hundred from each community were wounded and 191 TC and 173 GC were killed. Many of the criminals in EOKA and TMT who committed horrendous crimes were never brought to justice.

[FragnaticDeath]

Could you detail how many times Piratis has repeated the you started it story with Youtube attached.

stick to the topic. If you got nothing usefull to say keep silent

[B25]

Bravo re DT, for exposing this pig of a man. he should be ashamed of himself. Alla den trepete to moutra tou.

I would have no hesitation dragging this git from his bed thats for sure.

Take it easy man.

[Viewpoint]

İf only you GCs were half the man Bananiot is i for one immediately accept a unitary state without bounderies safeguards or guarantees. İts only because of people like yourselves we need plenty of safeguards and guaratees.

[Oracle]

Such a sad attachment to the one tragedy. Maybe there was only the one?

Even though constant repetition could help make out the GCs were constantly doing such things.

Any intelligent person would conclude TC losses were down to this one tragedy and move on ....

Certainly does not justify losing nearly half a country and ousting 200,000 innocent GCs from their homes.

Perhaps Bananiot has an alternative agenda, of demonstrating how much we lost over one tragic event and how unjustified the Turk-TCs are in what they claim.

[YFred]

Bravo re DT, for exposing this pig of a man. he should be ashamed of himself. Alla den trepete to moutra tou.

I would have no hesitation dragging this git from his bed thats for sure.

Take it easy man.

Those were the days when in eoka you could do these things in the middle of the day and get with it wearing a policemans uniform too.

[Bananiot]

DT exposes his real self right from the beginning. He says:

All deaths from atrocities whether they were committed by EOKA-B, TMT or the Turkish Millitary are tragedies

EOKA B' and the Turkish military did not arrive at the scene until 1972 and 1974 respectively. Until then all the killing was done by TMT and paramilitary groups sanctioned, armed and paid by Makarios and the RoC. TMT targeted TC's at the time, that is, those TC's who sought peace with the Greek Cypriot community, mainly leftist trade unionists and lawyers. The agenda of TMT was one of taksim (partition). Hence, it was to the interest of TMT for the two communities to live apart and sever any bonds of friendship that were molded during centuries of peaceful co-existence. Our paramilitary groups (led by warlords such as Sampson, Lyssarides, Yiorgadjis) did not target TMT but ordinary TC folk. Our agenda was one of enosis and the paramilitarists targeted the community that they saw as the main obstacle to the fulfillment of our noble goal. Makarios boasted that he was breaking the soul of the enclaved TC's and that soon they would yield.

During this period, which was the period that brought the eventual disaster, there was an outlawed group called TMT and a government sanctioned army that killed TC's at random, thus forcing the vast majority of the TC's to seek refuge under the umbrella of TMT. Our indiscriminate killings of ordinary TC's only strengthened the hand of TMT and the nationalists. Not only we committed crimes during that period but we also helped to enhance the role of TMT within the Turkish Cypriot community. We thought, rather foolishly that our nationalism would eventually prevail but we failed to realise the potential of Turkey, a huge country, forty miles off our northern coast.

Until July 1974, when we were on top, the figures DT is so concerned about give a different story. However, I think it is a silly game, started by Piratis and continued by some others, who think that the truth is a matter of statistics. History too, is not what they teach us at school either. There are truth which we do not want to hear about. For example, Turkey sent a letter to Kucuk in 1964, asking the TC's to return to the RoC! The TC's refused and replied that "we would rather all emigrate to Turkey than place our fate again into the hands of the GC's". It is all very convenient to blame Turkey for all our problems but the question is, do we have the decency to accept our mistakes, shortcomings and crimes against the TC community?

I think both communities need to do this as a form of catharsis, rather than endlessly blame each other. We are trying to make things up again and accepting blame will be a good starting point. My view is that my community is more to blame for our present predicament for we could have behaved much different from 1960 onwards, rather than looking down on TC's as second or third class citizens that were disposable. We were the larger, stronger and economically better by far community. We missed the chance to really enslave the TC's with an attack of friendship that would have made them totally loyal to the RoC. We wouldn't even spend money to connect two neighbouring TC villages by a decent road, claiming that this was money thrown down the drain. We had the means to do wonders but we chose the road of the nationalists, the road to disaster.

[Bananiot]

It is true, that over the months that have passed, I have told the events that led to the murder of Kutlai Erk's father on many occasions. This is a shocking story and one that has remained vivid in my memory especially since Kutlai has managed to put the pain behind him and came to the fore front of the struggle of the progressive forces within the TC community for peace and reunification of Cyprus. Such is the ethos of the man!