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[Bananiot]

Talikser, do you agree with DT's assertion that I have said that the innocent GC dead "deserved to die"? He put the words under inverted commas, implying that I wrote such things. If you do, since you quoted DT, please show me where I said this. If not, you might like to retract your assertion that I focus on only one portion of the dataset. If not, that is okay, I can live with it.

[Get Real!]

The north should now ask for reconition on the basis of land return and refugee rights, what you say to this type of a proposition?

Why don’t you advise your leaders (1) where to ask, (2) whom to ask, and finally (3) where they can hide after everyone laughs at them.

Reality GR it will hit you sooner rather than later because with no solution after 2 years of negotiations its a clear sign to the world that we cannot agree anything and even if we spent another 10 years negotiating there will be no end product that both side can commit to. Its called reality and a search for alternatives roots will be launch, this for us will take the route of recognition or annexation with Turkey.

The only clear sign to the world is the return to international law because you’re too stupid for anything else…

UN RESOLUTION 361 (1974)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr353.htm

UN RESOLUTION 541 (1983)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm

[Viewpoint]

The north should now ask for reconition on the basis of land return and refugee rights, what you say to this type of a proposition?

Why don’t you advise your leaders (1) where to ask, (2) whom to ask, and finally (3) where they can hide after everyone laughs at them.

Reality GR it will hit you sooner rather than later because with no solution after 2 years of negotiations its a clear sign to the world that we cannot agree anything and even if we spent another 10 years negotiating there will be no end product that both side can commit to. Its called reality and a search for alternatives roots will be launch, this for us will take the route of recognition or annexation with Turkey.

The only clear sign to the world is the return to international law because you’re too stupid for anything else…

UN RESOLUTION 361 (1974)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr353.htm

UN RESOLUTION 541 (1983)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm

We will see the pressure will increase on the GCs for the bleeding thorn inside the EU will never heal unless the matter is concluded one way or another and seeing a solution by Cypriots for Cypriots has failed there is only one route left recognition.

[Get Real!]

The north should now ask for reconition on the basis of land return and refugee rights, what you say to this type of a proposition?

Why don’t you advise your leaders (1) where to ask, (2) whom to ask, and finally (3) where they can hide after everyone laughs at them.

Reality GR it will hit you sooner rather than later because with no solution after 2 years of negotiations its a clear sign to the world that we cannot agree anything and even if we spent another 10 years negotiating there will be no end product that both side can commit to. Its called reality and a search for alternatives roots will be launch, this for us will take the route of recognition or annexation with Turkey.

The only clear sign to the world is the return to international law because you’re too stupid for anything else…

UN RESOLUTION 361 (1974)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr353.htm

UN RESOLUTION 541 (1983)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm

We will see the pressure will increase on the GCs for the bleeding thorn inside the EU will never heal unless the matter is concluded one way or another and seeing a solution by Cypriots for Cypriots has failed there is only one route left recognition.

The REAL Cypriots live under the RoC, and anything else is Turkification which will never see the light of day…

[Talisker]

Talikser, do you agree with DT's assertion that I have said that the innocent GC dead "deserved to die"? He put the words under inverted commas, implying that I wrote such things. If you do, since you quoted DT, please show me where I said this. If not, you might like to retract your assertion that I focus on only one portion of the dataset. If not, that is okay, I can live with it.

Bananiot, I wasn't aware that quoting someone meant that you agreed with everything written and quoted! Do you really deny that overall you focus on GC 'wrongs', which therefore means you write more about TC deaths than you do about deaths of GCs? Ergo, you focus on one portion of the dataset!

[Viewpoint]

The north should now ask for reconition on the basis of land return and refugee rights, what you say to this type of a proposition?

Why don’t you advise your leaders (1) where to ask, (2) whom to ask, and finally (3) where they can hide after everyone laughs at them.

Reality GR it will hit you sooner rather than later because with no solution after 2 years of negotiations its a clear sign to the world that we cannot agree anything and even if we spent another 10 years negotiating there will be no end product that both side can commit to. Its called reality and a search for alternatives roots will be launch, this for us will take the route of recognition or annexation with Turkey.

The only clear sign to the world is the return to international law because you’re too stupid for anything else…

UN RESOLUTION 361 (1974)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr353.htm

UN RESOLUTION 541 (1983)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm

We will see the pressure will increase on the GCs for the bleeding thorn inside the EU will never heal unless the matter is concluded one way or another and seeing a solution by Cypriots for Cypriots has failed there is only one route left recognition.

The REAL Cypriots live under the RoC, and anything else is Turkification which will never see the light of day…

Without a solution and the current GC mindset the world will gradually come around, this will of course not happen overnight and maybe not in my life time but it will happen that you can be sure of.

[Bananiot]

Talisker

Bananiot, I wasn't aware that quoting someone meant that you agreed with everything written and quoted! Do you really deny that overall you focus on GC 'wrongs', which therefore means you write more about TC deaths than you do about deaths of GCs? Ergo, you focus on one portion of the dataset!

This is exactly what it means, I am afraid. You can be sued for libel for this, check it out. However, it is comforting to know that you disapprove of DT's sinister assertion, if this is what you imply in your answer.

I have no hesitation to agree that I have focused on the wrongdoings of my community and many times I explained why. Is this wrong and if so, why? I could understand criticism of substance, i.e., one may claim that the Aloa massacre is a figment of the imagination of the TC's. Instead of dealing with these issues, you focus on my "impartial attitude" and this of course can only be racist because in your view a GC should only have rough words to say about the enemy. Sorry, but I am not like this.

The claim that Christofias has apologised to the TC community is also quite interesting. Christofias has met with the wrath of the nationalists from all aspects of the political spectrum, for his "unpatriotic assertion". Christofias has kept quite on the matter since despite the acid criticism. He did not even dare to support his assertion. Here, the conventional wisdom says that in 1963 a Turkish mutiny took place (tourkantarsia) and this is what we teach kids at schools. I do not agree with this and hopefully I can hold on to my belief, despite the vitriolic attacks of the "democrats" of this forum who simply cannot stomach a different opinion.

[Talisker]

Bananiot, smoke and mirrors as usual. Sue me for libel if you wish - for what I don't know! There is some kind of paranoia to this type of discussion - if someone disagrees with you, you threaten to sue. Let's look at our dialogue today:

All deaths from atrocities whether they were committed by EOKA-B, TMT or the Turkish Millitary are tragedies. SO far 400 GC bodies 51 TC bodies have been discovered in mass graves.

A decent person would look at these numbers and feel disgusted, horrified and shocked. A decent person would not care who was the TC or who was the GC, they were all executed in a horrific way.

I've posted these numbers not to prove a point about the number of GC's versus the number of TC's. I posted them so people can take a good look at these 450 tragic stories, and if you're going to use them and post them then do so with respect and fairness to all.

Instead, this is what Bananiot has been doing for the last 2 years. All to prove a point against the Greek Cypriot community, whose innocents died "because they deserved it, or because they started it, or because they had bad leaders, or, or, or....." At the same time he has diluted a tragic tc story to the point that on every post that this man decides to recurgitate this story in order to win some insignificant debate point, he has managed to turn this into a "routine" story of this forum.

Well done Bananiot on behalf of the GC's you've forgotten and the TC's you've used.

Although I wouldn't normally advocate Joseph Stalin as someone who proposed morals or values to which we should aspire, he did provide some wisdom within his speeches. One which is relevant here is 'One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic'. It is worth remembering that each of the deaths DT mentions, TC or GC, is a tragedy to those who knew those individuals (and should be treated as such by the nation), and that when the deaths are used only as statistics, and everyone knows that statistics are frequently manipulated, it is very easy to lose sight of that vitally important 'tragedy' component. Paradoxically, statistics can be misused to support a particular agenda thus provoking an emotional reaction - another common tactic by our politicians. It is equally manipulative to focus only on one portion of a dataset which, as DT has highlighted, is a tactic Bananiot uses repeatedly.

All I do here is support DT's stance that all deaths have equal importance, and highlight the dangers of forgetting real people amongst statistics. I finish with a sentence indicating that my impression of your overall contributions to the forum are more focussed against, and condemning of, GCs than TCs (which you later agree with!). I didn't bother to 'quote' DT's list of your quotes, although I do mention this by use of the word 'repeatedly'.

Talikser, do you agree with DT's assertion that I have said that the innocent GC dead "deserved to die"? He put the words under inverted commas, implying that I wrote such things. If you do, since you quoted DT, please show me where I said this. If not, you might like to retract your assertion that I focus on only one portion of the dataset. If not, that is okay, I can live with it.

Bananiot, I wasn't aware that quoting someone meant that you agreed with everything written and quoted! Do you really deny that overall you focus on GC 'wrongs', which therefore means you write more about TC deaths than you do about deaths of GCs? Ergo, you focus on one portion of the dataset!

I justified my initial post. In your later response you seem to 'agree' with my 'assertion' that you focus on only one portion of the dataset (see below in bold). Your common use of the words 'assertion' and 'implying' strike me as someone with a paranoid mindset - as I said, smoke and mirrors within your posts.

Talisker

Bananiot, I wasn't aware that quoting someone meant that you agreed with everything written and quoted! Do you really deny that overall you focus on GC 'wrongs', which therefore means you write more about TC deaths than you do about deaths of GCs? Ergo, you focus on one portion of the dataset!

This is exactly what it means, I am afraid. You can be sued for libel for this, check it out. However, it is comforting to know that you disapprove of DT's sinister assertion, if this is what you imply in your answer.

I have no hesitation to agree that I have focused on the wrongdoings of my community and many times I explained why. Is this wrong and if so, why? I could understand criticism of substance, i.e., one may claim that the Aloa massacre is a figment of the imagination of the TC's. Instead of dealing with these issues, you focus on my "impartial attitude" and this of course can only be racist because in your view a GC should only have rough words to say about the enemy. Sorry, but I am not like this.

The claim that Christofias has apologised to the TC community is also quite interesting. Christofias has met with the wrath of the nationalists from all aspects of the political spectrum, for his "unpatriotic assertion". Christofias has kept quite on the matter since despite the acid criticism. He did not even dare to support his assertion. Here, the conventional wisdom says that in 1963 a Turkish mutiny took place (tourkantarsia) and this is what we teach kids at schools. I do not agree with this and hopefully I can hold on to my belief, despite the vitriolic attacks of the "democrats" of this forum who simply cannot stomach a different opinion.

You threaten to sue! Then, immediately, you agree with me (highlighted in bold)! Read the words, don't look for 'implied' meanings - this is rampant paranoia! You, like everyone else on the forum, are entitled to your opinions, but it is pretty sad that you react like this to a challenge of your views and any wider agenda you may or may not have. Yes, some forumers sit very much on one side or the other - you have chosen your stance - I think, and others obviously agree, that this stance is 'unfair' to the majority of Cypriots and this is why you will be challenged. Shame that an educated man doesn't take a more 'even' view rather than focusing on one particular aspect of CyProb, which, though a part of the whole, is nowhere near the whole story.

Sorry Bananiot, can't be bothered to engage these seemingly hysterical ramblings any further.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu at no stage in his posts critisized the GCs or supported one TC viewpoint if you should be analyzing anyone for their biased it should be Kikapu.

[Get Real!]

Kikapu at no stage in his posts critisized the GCs or supported one TC viewpoint if you should be analyzing anyone for their biased it should be Kikapu.

There’s just no comparison between the two contributors. One sees the bigger picture (democracy, international law, and such) and hopes for a fair & square future for Cyprus, and the other has simply hand-picked 2-3 relatively minor events from 60 years ago and keeps driveling on about them putting everyone to sleep while you look on in admiration!