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Palio people on both sides are complacent and do not want change the chasm between the two sides is just to wide to bridge the breakdown of the current talks will be another clear sign of what I am saying is right.

[Talisker]

All deaths from atrocities whether they were committed by EOKA-B, TMT or the Turkish Millitary are tragedies. SO far 400 GC bodies 51 TC bodies have been discovered in mass graves.

A decent person would look at these numbers and feel disgusted, horrified and shocked. A decent person would not care who was the TC or who was the GC, they were all executed in a horrific way.

I've posted these numbers not to prove a point about the number of GC's versus the number of TC's. I posted them so people can take a good look at these 450 tragic stories, and if you're going to use them and post them then do so with respect and fairness to all.

Instead, this is what Bananiot has been doing for the last 2 years. All to prove a point against the Greek Cypriot community, whose innocents died "because they deserved it, or because they started it, or because they had bad leaders, or, or, or....." At the same time he has diluted a tragic tc story to the point that on every post that this man decides to recurgitate this story in order to win some insignificant debate point, he has managed to turn this into a "routine" story of this forum.

Well done Bananiot on behalf of the GC's you've forgotten and the TC's you've used.

Although I wouldn't normally advocate Joseph Stalin as someone who proposed morals or values to which we should aspire, he did provide some wisdom within his speeches. One which is relevant here is 'One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic'. It is worth remembering that each of the deaths DT mentions, TC or GC, is a tragedy to those who knew those individuals (and should be treated as such by the nation), and that when the deaths are used only as statistics, and everyone knows that statistics are frequently manipulated, it is very easy to lose sight of that vitally important 'tragedy' component. Paradoxically, statistics can be misused to support a particular agenda thus provoking an emotional reaction - another common tactic by our politicians. It is equally manipulative to focus only on one portion of a dataset which, as DT has highlighted, is a tactic Bananiot uses repeatedly.

[paliometoxo]

Palio people on both sides are complacent and do not want change the chasm between the two sides is just to wide to bridge the breakdown of the current talks will be another clear sign of what I am saying is right.

i think your right, its a shame though imo its just a few points that there wont be a middle ground for both sides that neither side will budge and change their minds from a no to yes. but a non solution is just as bad for the north then the south. so i am hopeful something positive will come of these talks

[Viewpoint]

I personally have lost all hope in these talks producing a solution especially after the last trick the gcs pulled. Why are we forcing a marriage neither side wants. The north should now ask for reconition on the basis of land return and refugee rights, what you say to this type of a proposition?

[YFred]

I personally have lost all hope in these talks producing a solution especially after the last trick the gcs pulled. Why are we forcing a marriage neither side wants. The north should now ask for reconition on the basis of land return and refugee rights, what you say to this type of a proposition?

I find it difficult to understand why the GC parliment should pass a resolution on a point which is being negotiated. Muhtar X has cought TPapa ways of doing things.

[paliometoxo]

I personally have lost all hope in these talks producing a solution especially after the last trick the gcs pulled. Why are we forcing a marriage neither side wants. The north should now ask for reconition on the basis of land return and refugee rights, what you say to this type of a proposition?

sorry what move do you mean?

sorry i would not agree to partition in any form ( thats just me and i dont think i am alone on the gc side saying that) no more then you would accept all of cyprus being united with greece, when you say partition to me thats what its like your saying.

[Get Real!]

The north should now ask for reconition on the basis of land return and refugee rights, what you say to this type of a proposition?

Why don’t you advise your leaders (1) where to ask, (2) whom to ask, and finally (3) where they can hide after everyone laughs at them.

[Viewpoint]

I personally have lost all hope in these talks producing a solution especially after the last trick the gcs pulled. Why are we forcing a marriage neither side wants. The north should now ask for reconition on the basis of land return and refugee rights, what you say to this type of a proposition?

I find it difficult to understand why the GC parliment should pass a resolution on a point which is being negotiated. Muhtar X has cought TPapa ways of doing things.

The timing was for a reason they no longer feel they have anything to gain by negotiating especially after Ban Ki Moons visit which brough home a few realities that they Gcs will not get everything they want and that have to compromise the UN secretary general visiting the TRNC really brought the message home.

[Viewpoint]

I personally have lost all hope in these talks producing a solution especially after the last trick the gcs pulled. Why are we forcing a marriage neither side wants. The north should now ask for reconition on the basis of land return and refugee rights, what you say to this type of a proposition?

sorry what move do you mean?

sorry i would not agree to partition in any form ( thats just me and i dont think i am alone on the gc side saying that) no more then you would accept all of cyprus being united with greece, when you say partition to me thats what its like your saying.

They are totally different but I apprecite you view but without any chance of a solution the status quo itself in real terms means division, this way refugees on both sides woudl get their right addressed and the whole problem would be solved once and for all, each side can go their own way seeing they cannot agree any structure that would allow them to commit and live together.

[Viewpoint]

The north should now ask for reconition on the basis of land return and refugee rights, what you say to this type of a proposition?

Why don’t you advise your leaders (1) where to ask, (2) whom to ask, and finally (3) where they can hide after everyone laughs at them.

Reality GR it will hit you sooner rather than later because with no solution after 2 years of negotiations its a clear sign to the world that we cannot agree anything and even if we spent another 10 years negotiating there will be no end product that both side can commit to. Its called reality and a search for alternatives roots will be launch, this for us will take the route of recognition or annexation with Turkey.