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[Get Real!]

Not going to get into this depressing stuff tonight. In too good a mood, feeling quite euphoric and listening to the storm raging outside.

But I do agree they were all CYPRIOTS.

And numbers do not matter. Every individual death is a tragedy for the family of the victim.

This is reminding me of how angry I get when the UK press used to report about the victims of some IRA mainland bombing and give the front page over to some bright young hope whose headmaster said they were destined for a great future, who was a wizard sportsperson, and blah blah blah.

Well, even if other victims were habitual truants, backward in all subjects and a pain in the arse in the classroom and hopeless at team sports - it was still a fecking TRAGEDY for their family and friends.

I've lived where the sea claims the lives of fisherman in quite large numbers every year. No sides to apportion blame to there. Just the power of the ocean. Where the loss of just FOUR men on a boat means that every family in that village and every classroom in that local school is related to, or close to one of them.

Where the loss of 27 men in one year means that NO household is unaffected by it.

You're female aren't you?

[repulsewarrior]

mr. b has a nail, and he is hitting it on the head; although, Christofias has apologised, Talat continues to ignore the issue.

we are all cypriots, no longer "greeks" or "turks", ironically the Annan plan proved this in that regardless the result, we voted for unity; and as Individuals we have the great responsibility to persue this quest as equals with our own self-representation, sovereign as a State. greeks and turks have their problem, as Persons this affects us deeply, and as such beyond the State living Bicommunally, as Persons and as Individuals, assemblies of Nations must exist to sustain this identity.

everyone has a right to their opinion, certainly it is a lot easier if everyone thought the same way, but rather dull.

can't agree that the Aplan was a last chance, can't agree that it was a good start, but i still think that the man that ban talks about, on and on as you say, is a hero.

please read my manifesto...

[yialousa1971]

It is true, that over the months that have passed, I have told the events that led to the murder of Kutlai Erk's father on many occasions. This is a shocking story and one that has remained vivid in my memory especially since Kutlai has managed to put the pain behind him and came to the fore front of the struggle of the progressive forces within the TC community for peace and reunification of Cyprus. Such is the ethos of the man!

What a load of shit! Btw how is your master George Soros?

[yialousa1971]

mr. b has a nail, and he is hitting it on the head; although, Christofias has apologised, Talat continues to ignore the issue.

we are all cypriots, no longer "greeks" or "turks", ironically the Annan plan proved this in that regardless the result, we voted for unity; and as Individuals we have the great responsibility to persue this quest as equals with our own self-representation, sovereign as a State. greeks and turks have their problem, as Persons this affects us deeply, and as such beyond the State living Bicommunally, as Persons and as Individuals, assemblies of Nations must exist to sustain this identity.

everyone has a right to their opinion, certainly it is a lot easier if everyone thought the same way, but rather dull.

can't agree that the Aplan was a last chance, can't agree that it was a good start, but i still think that the man that ban talks about, on and on as you say, is a hero.

please read my manifesto...

More shit

[aussieturk]

It's the motive for continuing to repeat this story, endlessly, which should be scrutinised.

Bananiot and the Turk-TCs say statistics don't matter. That's easy when they are so few in their case. It doesn't matter if it was just one case, when it can be repeated a thousand times!

Or, is it the fact this one tragedy was carried out in a Hospital, a place of healing, which makes good copy to remind us all how extra cruel an act it was?

It's these exaggerated statistics which Turkey abuses to justify the invasion. If one tragedy is related a thousand times; for Turkey that is enough to justify all the hospitals she bombed and Napalmed in 1974 ...

I am sick and tired of reading your constant denial of atrocities committed by GC's on TC's.

THESE ARE FACTS

Missing persons

The issue of missing persons in Cyprus took a dramatic new turn in the summer of 2007 when the UN-sponsored Committee on Missing Persons (CMP)[58] began returning remains of identified missing individuals to their families (see end of section).


Greek Cypriot prisoners taken to Adana camps Turkey.
On 5 October 1994, the US Senate unanimously adopted an Act for the ascertainment of the fate of five US citizens missing since the Turkish invasion. Following this, the US President appointed Ambassador Robert Dillon, who came to Cyprus to carry out investigations. Andreas Kasapis’ grave was discovered in January 1998 in the Turkish occupied area of Northern Cyprus and his remains were sent to the US for DNA testing and identified, yet the Turkish side has still failed to provide reliable information as to the fate of another 1587 Greek Cypriots.
Facts and information on the death and the burial site of 201 out of 500 cases of Turkish Cypriot missing persons were provided by the Cyprus government on 12 May 2003. A Turkish Cypriot man at the opening of the mass grave containing the bodies of the former Turkish inhabitants of the village of Sandallar in North Cyprus.[59]
On 6 December 2002, excavations at the village of Alaminos, led to the discovery of human remains, which according to existing testimonies, belonged to Turkish Cypriots who lost their lives during a fire exchange with a unit of the National Guard, on 20 July 1974.
“In a Greek raid on a small Turkish village near Limassol, 36 people out of a population of 200 were killed. The Greeks said that they had been given orders to kill the inhabitants of the Turkish villages before the Turkish forces arrived.”[60]
Exhumations carried out by British experts in the occupied village of Trachonas which was a burial site designated by the Turkish side in 1998 were completed on 11 January 2005, but failed to locate any remains belonging to Greek Cypriots listed as missing.

Since 2004, the whole issue of missing persons in Cyprus took a dramatic new turn after the Committee on Missing Persons (CMP) designed and started to implement (as from August 2006) its project on the Exhumation, Identification and Return of Remains of Missing Persons. The whole project is being implemented by bi-communal teams of Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriot scientists (archaeologists, anthropologists and geneticists) under the overall responsibility of the CMP. By the end of 2007, 57 individuals had been identified and their remains returned to their families.

[Bananiot]

GR thinks that

rather than waste time and money with a “truth and reconciliation” committee, I’d rather Cyprus pressed on with a unitary, democratic, one-person one-vote, EU Republic for those that are still alive and forget the past.

DT wants us to believe that crimes against the TC community were committed only by an organisation that did not exist in the 60's, that is, EOKA B'. This is just a ridiculous attempt to absolve the guilt of the GC community's involvement in horrific acts of the past. Furthermore, he thinks that

I am taking moderate, forward thinking GC's and pushing them into extremism

because I post my views in a forum that is read by a handful of people. What he means is that he, a moderate and forward thinking person is turning into an extremist, because of my views. Bloody hell!!! He also thinks that I hide atrocities committed by the fanatics of the other side. This is a senseless and totally absurd accusation. I explained many times, ad nuseum, if I may add, that I am here to talk about my community and have no interest whatsoever to engage in a fruitless blame game of the cretin type "we did this but you did five times worse". DT talks about the empathy (not shown on my behalf, he thinks, for those executed at Tziaos. In another thread, some two years ago, I reported on the funeral of Demetris (Kkitros) from my village who was executed at Tziaos in August 1974. His grandson, now a lawyer, spoke at the funeral (Sevgul was there too, by the way) and he said nothing about TC's killing many more than we did. He said that his granddad was executed after the massacres at Aloa and Sandalaris became known and the TC's, in a frenzy, murdered all GC's they were holding at Tziaos. That is empathy for all concerned, sucked in the spiral of the madness created by the nationalists. Can you allow yourself to understand this DT?

DT thinks that Bananiot

constitutes a danger to both communities as far as I'm concerned, because he radicalises GC's and absolves TC's

This is far fetched and totally baseless. Bloody hell, I say again! I have this power to radicalise people and where the hell is it? Perhaps I am superman and I haven't discovered it yet.

DT also claims that

Bananiot, can take his obsessions with hospitals stories, undemocratic governance and foreign guarantees and try to convince a few natives of Papua New Guinea to live this life. All due respect to those tribes people but even they might put up a fight for it.

Probably he is again providing insights to his real beliefs with the above. He calls real traumas experienced by real people "hospital stories" and an attempt by a government to dissolve a Republic "undemocratic governance". He continues to tell tales about me accepting foreign guarantees under any cost and this makes me cautious about a hidden agenda. Perhaps DT is not the moderate and forward thinking chap he wants us to believe he is.

Now to the gist of the whole thing. History will be written properly one day, no doubt. I am more interested in the political repercussions of our short history and this is where I will concentrate on. I started this post with GR for a reason. He and many others in Cyprus believes that it is possible to build a unitary, democratic, one-person one-vote Cyprus. I also think that this is the best that could happen to our island. Only a fool can deny this. However, a much bigger fool, cannot see that the future of any country in this world is shaped by the events of the past. What happened in 1955-1959 brought about the form of independence we achieved in 1960. The events of 1963 and afterwords will shape the solution, if it is ever found by negotiations, of the Cyprus issue. GR thinks that we and the whole world can

forget the past

This is a fallacy conceived by politically uneducated people and of course as long as our struggle is a political one, no serious person will lend an ear to such rubbish.

[B25]

GR thinks that

rather than waste time and money with a “truth and reconciliation” committee, I’d rather Cyprus pressed on with a unitary, democratic, one-person one-vote, EU Republic for those that are still alive and forget the past.

DT wants us to believe that crimes against the TC community were committed only by an organisation that did not exist in the 60's, that is, EOKA B'. This is just a ridiculous attempt to absolve the guilt of the GC community's involvement in horrific acts of the past. Furthermore, he thinks that

I am taking moderate, forward thinking GC's and pushing them into extremism

because I post my views in a forum that is read by a handful of people. What he means is that he, a moderate and forward thinking person is turning into an extremist, because of my views. Bloody hell!!! He also thinks that I hide atrocities committed by the fanatics of the other side. This is a senseless and totally absurd accusation. I explained many times, ad nuseum, if I may add, that I am here to talk about my community and have no interest whatsoever to engage in a fruitless blame game of the cretin type "we did this but you did five times worse". DT talks about the empathy (not shown on my behalf, he thinks, for those executed at Tziaos. In another thread, some two years ago, I reported on the funeral of Demetris (Kkitros) from my village who was executed at Tziaos in August 1974. His grandson, now a lawyer, spoke at the funeral (Sevgul was there too, by the way) and he said nothing about TC's killing many more than we did. He said that his granddad was executed after the massacres at Aloa and Sandalaris became known and the TC's, in a frenzy, murdered all GC's they were holding at Tziaos. That is empathy for all concerned, sucked in the spiral of the madness created by the nationalists. Can you allow yourself to understand this DT?

DT thinks that Bananiot

constitutes a danger to both communities as far as I'm concerned, because he radicalises GC's and absolves TC's

This is far fetched and totally baseless. Bloody hell, I say again! I have this power to radicalise people and where the hell is it? Perhaps I am superman and I haven't discovered it yet.

DT also claims that

Bananiot, can take his obsessions with hospitals stories, undemocratic governance and foreign guarantees and try to convince a few natives of Papua New Guinea to live this life. All due respect to those tribes people but even they might put up a fight for it.

Probably he is again providing insights to his real beliefs with the above. He calls real traumas experienced by real people "hospital stories" and an attempt by a government to dissolve a Republic "undemocratic governance". He continues to tell tales about me accepting foreign guarantees under any cost and this makes me cautious about a hidden agenda. Perhaps DT is not the moderate and forward thinking chap he wants us to believe he is.

Now to the gist of the whole thing. History will be written properly one day, no doubt. I am more interested in the political repercussions of our short history and this is where I will concentrate on. I started this post with GR for a reason. He and many others in Cyprus believes that it is possible to build a unitary, democratic, one-person one-vote Cyprus. I also think that this is the best that could happen to our island. Only a fool can deny this. However, a much bigger fool, cannot see that the future of any country in this world is shaped by the events of the past. What happened in 1955-1959 brought about the form of independence we achieved in 1960. The events of 1963 and afterwords will shape the solution, if it is ever found by negotiations, of the Cyprus issue. GR thinks that we and the whole world can

forget the past

This is a fallacy conceived by politically uneducated people and of course as long as our struggle is a political one, no serious person will lend an ear to such rubbish.

Quick someone pass me a sick bag, argghhhhh!

[miltiades]

GR thinks that

rather than waste time and money with a “truth and reconciliation” committee, I’d rather Cyprus pressed on with a unitary, democratic, one-person one-vote, EU Republic for those that are still alive and forget the past.

DT wants us to believe that crimes against the TC community were committed only by an organisation that did not exist in the 60's, that is, EOKA B'. This is just a ridiculous attempt to absolve the guilt of the GC community's involvement in horrific acts of the past. Furthermore, he thinks that

I am taking moderate, forward thinking GC's and pushing them into extremism

because I post my views in a forum that is read by a handful of people. What he means is that he, a moderate and forward thinking person is turning into an extremist, because of my views. Bloody hell!!! He also thinks that I hide atrocities committed by the fanatics of the other side. This is a senseless and totally absurd accusation. I explained many times, ad nuseum, if I may add, that I am here to talk about my community and have no interest whatsoever to engage in a fruitless blame game of the cretin type "we did this but you did five times worse". DT talks about the empathy (not shown on my behalf, he thinks, for those executed at Tziaos. In another thread, some two years ago, I reported on the funeral of Demetris (Kkitros) from my village who was executed at Tziaos in August 1974. His grandson, now a lawyer, spoke at the funeral (Sevgul was there too, by the way) and he said nothing about TC's killing many more than we did. He said that his granddad was executed after the massacres at Aloa and Sandalaris became known and the TC's, in a frenzy, murdered all GC's they were holding at Tziaos. That is empathy for all concerned, sucked in the spiral of the madness created by the nationalists. Can you allow yourself to understand this DT?

DT thinks that Bananiot

constitutes a danger to both communities as far as I'm concerned, because he radicalises GC's and absolves TC's

This is far fetched and totally baseless. Bloody hell, I say again! I have this power to radicalise people and where the hell is it? Perhaps I am superman and I haven't discovered it yet.

DT also claims that

Bananiot, can take his obsessions with hospitals stories, undemocratic governance and foreign guarantees and try to convince a few natives of Papua New Guinea to live this life. All due respect to those tribes people but even they might put up a fight for it.

Probably he is again providing insights to his real beliefs with the above. He calls real traumas experienced by real people "hospital stories" and an attempt by a government to dissolve a Republic "undemocratic governance". He continues to tell tales about me accepting foreign guarantees under any cost and this makes me cautious about a hidden agenda. Perhaps DT is not the moderate and forward thinking chap he wants us to believe he is.

Now to the gist of the whole thing. History will be written properly one day, no doubt. I am more interested in the political repercussions of our short history and this is where I will concentrate on. I started this post with GR for a reason. He and many others in Cyprus believes that it is possible to build a unitary, democratic, one-person one-vote Cyprus. I also think that this is the best that could happen to our island. Only a fool can deny this. However, a much bigger fool, cannot see that the future of any country in this world is shaped by the events of the past. What happened in 1955-1959 brought about the form of independence we achieved in 1960. The events of 1963 and afterwords will shape the solution, if it is ever found by negotiations, of the Cyprus issue. GR thinks that we and the whole world can

forget the past

This is a fallacy conceived by politically uneducated people and of course as long as our struggle is a political one, no serious person will lend an ear to such rubbish.

Quick someone pass me a sick bag, argghhhhh!

I think you too ought to give up ...smoking!!

[Bananiot]

That is correct B25, you are a sick person indeed!

[miltiades]

That is correct B25, you are a sick person indeed!

And a heavy smoker too !!!