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[Get Real!]

What else can Bananiot possibly do in the CyProb but repeat an incident over and over given that the “Turkish Cypriots” have no legs to stand on and he has certain commitments to tend to!

[Viewpoint]

DT....I really don't understand your preoccupation with Bananiot...Why is it you cannot stomach crticism coming from your own side? Bananiot is providing a balance...He is your saving grace...You should be thanking him...As we should be thanking Kikapu for doing the same for our side...

It is easy to show understanding,empathy and compassion for your own side. But when you do it for the "others" that is what really counts...Bananiot realises,like I have realised,that most GCs have their heads in the sand...They have been brainwashed to believe that Cyprus problem began in 1974 when the colonels in Greece decided they needed some kudos,and tried to oust President Makarios....Then the big bad Turkey,who was waiting in the wings to gobble up part of Cyprus came and did her deed...Bananiot is just showing you that there is more to it than that,and more to the point,the GCs are at least as guilty as the TCs and Turkey for the mess we are in...Bananiot knows and talks about the role of the TMT,and the leadership of Denktas et al...But there are so many of you here totally going over the top and blaming it all on the TMT and the TCs and Turkey,that the man feels revolted,if I could be bold enough to give a name to his feelings...He knows that without a balanced and objective look at our past we cannot possible hope for a fair and peaceful future...The man has more wisdom and farsightedness in his little finger than most of the reactionary fanatical GCs here put together...It is a pity someone as sensible and intelligent as yourself cannot see that...

Perhaps I'm not as sensible or as intelligent as I'm made out to be.
My pre-occupation with Bananiot is simple.

He is taking moderate, forward thinking GC's and pushing them into extremism. There are many here who hide away in shame everytime Bananiot choses to hide an atrocity against innocents of one community and highlight the atrocities against another community.

They hide and react everytime he chooses to remind us that Turkish guarantees are the only way we can live peacfully on this island and that empathy should be shown to the victims of this war. You tell me Bir what sort of empathy is he showing when he is promoting the key and present agressor of this conflict as a partner in our future?

Where's the empathy to the victims of the executions of Agios Georgios in Kyrenia or the mass executions of Tjaos? Where is the empathy to the families that were executed? Where is his humanity to these people that have done nothing wrong.

Bananiot is a danger to both communities as far as I'm concerned, because he radicalises GC's and absolves TC's.

Kikapu is a bad example to compare, he will never speak of the atrocities of one community and forget the other. His argument is one of democratic and human rights quality of life for all in this country. He knows that should you tilt the balance even more to the TC side with gaurantees, settlers and rotating presidencies then trouble will errupt once again.

You know this is true, Cyprus is not a land of farmers and fishermen anymore Bir, its a land of intelligent educated bankers, lawyers, accoutants and scientists. these people are not idiots and will never accept to have less rights in their own country than they did in the countries they lived as foreigners studying.

Bananiot, can take his obsessions with hospitals stories, undemocratic governence and foreign guarantees and try to convince a few natives of Papua New Guinea to live this life. All due respect to those tribes people but even they might put up a fight for it.

So for once Bir, open your eyes to what your side is proposing....accept the huge risks and offers made by our side and figure out where you and Bananiot should be concentraring your efforts.


BTW if you haven't gotten the full irony of this line in your above post then I fear you've lost more than your impartiality over the last year.

It is easy to show understanding,empathy and compassion for your own side. But when you do it for the "others" that is what really counts...Bananiot realises,like I have realised,that most GCs have their heads in the sand...

You may try to make excuses for Kikapu but we see him the exact same way not once has he supported anything remotely close to any of the TCs red lines or against GCs whereas Bananiot airs views which also go against TCs but I would still trust Bananiot with a unitary state and no guarantees but when it comes to Kikapu or the majority of you GCs I and the majority of TCs will continue to demand BBF with plenty of safeguards and guarantees in place to keep you people in check.

[Viewpoint]

What else can Bananiot possibly do in the CyProb but repeat an incident over and over given that the “Turkish Cypriots” have no legs to stand on and he has certain commitments to tend to!

Piratis does the same times by 10 yet you applaud him on every post, why do you not repremand him?

[denizaksulu]

What else can Bananiot possibly do in the CyProb but repeat an incident over and over given that the “Turkish Cypriots” have no legs to stand on and he has certain commitments to tend to!

Do you all remember to whom the following accolade belongs to?




Exactly, you got it right, it belongs to Piratis your 'Mentor'. Bananiot has a very long way to go yet. He is a man of guts and despite being hated by the extreme, he sees no reason not to repeat those truths that has hurt the relationships between our two people.

May all the victims of the extremists RIP.

[Get Real!]

What else can Bananiot possibly do in the CyProb but repeat an incident over and over given that the “Turkish Cypriots” have no legs to stand on and he has certain commitments to tend to!

Piratis does the same times by 10 yet you applaud him on every post, why do you not repremand him?

On every post? Please!

[Get Real!]

And btw VP… you don’t sound like VP at all! There’s something funny going on here the last 24 hours or so with your account…

[Get Real!]

What else can Bananiot possibly do in the CyProb but repeat an incident over and over given that the “Turkish Cypriots” have no legs to stand on and he has certain commitments to tend to!

Do you all remember to whom the following accolade belongs to?




Exactly, you got it right, it belongs to Piratis your 'Mentor'. Bananiot has a very long way to go yet. He is a man of guts and despite being hated by the extreme, he sees no reason not to repeat those truths that has hurt the relationships between our two people.

May all the victims of the extremists RIP.

Even a twelve year old can see that Bananiot has his (not so enviable) agenda...

[denizaksulu]

What else can Bananiot possibly do in the CyProb but repeat an incident over and over given that the “Turkish Cypriots” have no legs to stand on and he has certain commitments to tend to!

Do you all remember to whom the following accolade belongs to?




Exactly, you got it right, it belongs to Piratis your 'Mentor'. Bananiot has a very long way to go yet. He is a man of guts and despite being hated by the extreme, he sees no reason not to repeat those truths that has hurt the relationships between our two people.

May all the victims of the extremists RIP.

Even a twelve year old can see that Bananiot has his (not so enviable) agenda...

We all have to face facts GR as you always remind us to. Whatever Bananiots agenda is, there ought to be more people like him on both sides ready to admit their own peoples wrongdoings. Would you not like 'a truth and Recociliation Committee' set up? Or d you have too many friends in power who would top the list of the 'guilty' ones. I know, like most of us here that most of the northern leaders would make that list.

[Get Real!]

What else can Bananiot possibly do in the CyProb but repeat an incident over and over given that the “Turkish Cypriots” have no legs to stand on and he has certain commitments to tend to!

Do you all remember to whom the following accolade belongs to?




Exactly, you got it right, it belongs to Piratis your 'Mentor'. Bananiot has a very long way to go yet. He is a man of guts and despite being hated by the extreme, he sees no reason not to repeat those truths that has hurt the relationships between our two people.

May all the victims of the extremists RIP.

Even a twelve year old can see that Bananiot has his (not so enviable) agenda...

We all have to face facts GR as you always remind us to. Whatever Bananiots agenda is, there ought to be more people like him on both sides ready to admit their own peoples wrongdoings. Would you not like 'a truth and Recociliation Committee' set up? Or d you have too many friends in power who would top the list of the 'guilty' ones. I know, like most of us here that most of the northern leaders would make that list.

Rather than waste time and money with a “truth and reconciliation” committee, I’d rather Cyprus pressed on with a unitary, democratic, one-person one-vote, EU Republic for those that are still alive and forget the past.

[Gasman]

Not going to get into this depressing stuff tonight. In too good a mood, feeling quite euphoric and listening to the storm raging outside.

But I do agree they were all CYPRIOTS.

And numbers do not matter. Every individual death is a tragedy for the family of the victim.

This is reminding me of how angry I get when the UK press used to report about the victims of some IRA mainland bombing and give the front page over to some bright young hope whose headmaster said they were destined for a great future, who was a wizard sportsperson, and blah blah blah.

Well, even if other victims were habitual truants, backward in all subjects and a pain in the arse in the classroom and hopeless at team sports - it was still a fecking TRAGEDY for their family and friends.

I've lived where the sea claims the lives of fisherman in quite large numbers every year. No sides to apportion blame to there. Just the power of the ocean. Where the loss of just FOUR men on a boat means that every family in that village and every classroom in that local school is related to, or close to one of them.

Where the loss of 27 men in one year means that NO household is unaffected by it.