BirKibrisli wrote:DT. wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:DT. wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:I am happy for you,Kikapu,that you have such trust in the democratic system as it is practised in Cyprus that you would bet your and your loved ones life on it...Most TCs seem to disagree with you...I guess if the majority of the TCs say they want special protection from the likes of B25 and some of the others who post here,we would have to accept their democratic right to demand such protection ,would we not??? Forcing them to forego what they overwhelmingly and democratically tell us they want would not be very democratic ,would it?
The best person I think that can answer your question to Kikapu Bir, is Bir...BirKibrisli wrote:The point is why would I want to put the future of my own family in danger by insisting on reunification?
I have gone blue in the face arguing this point:The times have changed and most GCs have moved on from the dream of Enosis. They now know it was a folly which cost them and Cyprus dearly.There are no more EOKA fighters running around killing those who disagreed with their aims.There are no more TMT fighters doing the same on the other side.
RoC is a prosperous European country run democratically(more or less).
As far as I know there are no religious leaders doubling up as politicians.
So the line that the GCs are wolves in sheep's clothes waiting to pounce on us is,to say the least,not very credible. On the other hand,given the certainty that the TRNC will never be recognised by the UN as a legitimate state,and the certain loss of TC national identity if the status quo remains for another couple of decades,I am finding it extremely difficult to understand the position of those advocating partition.The only reason can be the persistence of a pathological fear and anxiety caused by the traumas of the 50s and 60s...In other words persistance of a collective Post Traumatic Stress Disorder which has turned those TCs still living in the TRNC into paranoid psychological weaklings unable to imagine standing on their own two feet on a level playing field...A sad and tragic situation. One that I could not bear to watch from either side of the divide for longer than one week at a time...Hence I am condemned to live and die in exile,but hey,there must be worse things in life than that prospect,though I am finding it difficult to think of one at the moment...
I agree with everyhting you say mate..
I am happy you do,DT...
But you agreeing with me is not enough...The majority of the TCs do not...That is the sticking point...What are we going to do? Hit them on the head till they see the world as you and I do...That wouldn't be very democratic now,Would it???
I am telling you again...It is not what I think or wish that is important...I am only the messenger...You can abuse me all you like...The message is clear : The TCs will never agree to a solution that will remove Turkey as a guarantor...If the GCs want a solution they will have to like it or lump it...I finally got the message...The question is,when will you??? And if you don't, what next???
I don't mean to abuse you mate, I just want to remind you of some of the things you and I were in complete agreement off in the past. If you wish to take a more populist method now its your choice Bir and I'll still respect you for it. You're just going to be harder work than I originally thought.
I am not taking a more populist approach,DT...I am taking a more realistic approach...The reality is that the TCs will not accept any solution that will remove Turkey totally from the equation...If you can find a formula that will accomplish what I now believe is the impossible,I will take my hat off to you...And I will be very happy for Cyprus...Mate,we need to sign an agreement soon before it is too late...Before the status quo turns into fait accompli...We will all lose in that scenario...It is better to have Turkey's guarantee on Paper,than via the presence of 40,000 troops...I am amazed you guys cannot see this...Or perhaps you can see it,but still believe you can get Turkey to remove her troops and the Guarantee at the same time...I believe that is impossible...Prove me wrong and I will give you a case of the best Australian wines I can afford...But you will need to hurry up,I have just turned 59...
Sorry Bir, you're way off the mark. Accepting tc sensitivities is one thing but ignoring a massive invasion an re-signing the invader as a guarantor is turning a blind eye to the gc realities.
Are you sure you've chosen the right direction here? I'm pretty sure there's more chance for the tc's to accept an independent guarantor than for the gc's to jump rigt back in bed with the present invader and occupier of their land.
