Cyprus-Forum.com

[Talisker]

DT, where did I say "innocent dead GC's deserved to die"? You need to come clean on this one and I can wait for your response for as long as you like.

You have quoted the following I wrote:

"At the end we were very lucky to get what we got, but being greedy and spoilt, we started a war on the London-Zurich agreements and the results are well known. We allowed the nationalists to dominate us. We never held our ground. May be we deserve what came to us".

The above is a criticism directed at rational people who allowed the fanatics to destroy Cyprus by remaining silent when they should have stood up and be counted.

You also jumped on the lawsuit wagon, hastely, like all those impatiently seeking to become martyrs. This is ridiculous and out of all people you should know better. I merely used it, and I stressed it, as an example, from the world of media, to point out that when you repeat something somebody else wrote, it makes you accessory to slander and defamation. That was my response to Talisker claiming that by quoting you it does not mean that he agrees with you.

What complete and utter nonsense! I just had better things to do on a Sunday evening than to engage any further in a dialogue I felt was going nowhere!

[B25]

Far greater neighbour than you B25 !!!
I have met Bananiot on a few occasions and consider him to be a perfect gentleman and a true compassionate Cypriot .
His knowledge of the Cyprob is not clouded by bigotry , unlike some who see themselves as "experts" on issues concerning our island. He presents his views , as he is entitled to do so , with fair mindedness and civility .

Re read what he says re, we deserved it, we begged to be murderd and slaughtered.

I judge a man not by what he says to my face but what he says behind my back.

Ban may be a gentlemen to you, but I hear what he says and to me he is a disgrace.

Show me his fair mindedness re, where has he ever said anything about the Turks. He persistant whining about how we dragged them out of bed to murder them, does not represent fairmindedness.

Please save it, Bananiot doesn't need you to speak for him, he can do that well enough himself, when he accuses us all of being cratins and bash patriots.

I remind you, I am also entitled to my views and who are you to tell me otherwise.

Here next time you see him ask him this for me, I would really like to know, "Does he accept Guarantor rights for Turkey over Cyprus"

Cheers

[Bananiot]

Here is the story of an innocent victim of the Turkish invasion. It is about Petros Sourouppis from Palekythron village, who was 9 at the time.

"A group of young Turkish Cypriots from the village of Epicho went looting in Palekythro. They came to Souppouris' farm and took his cows and his modern milking machines. But that was not the worst that fate had in store for a man who had chosen to remain in his village and not be severed from his roots. The Turkish Cypriots returned, armed and determined to kill. Either to silence eyewitness accounts of the looting, or to take revenge, they ordered all members of the Souppouris family and two more families who had sought refuge in their home into the back yard, where they began to shoot them. Their bodies fell on top of each other. Of 21 people, 17 met a horrific death. Four emerged from the carnage wounded, but alive. One, nine-year-old Costas Souppouris, ran away and managed to escape.

Petros Souppouris was wounded in the abdomen. “First they shot the adults, then the children. I was last out of the house. They shot me and I fell unconscious. I came to, and heard one of the wounded asking for water.”

After the executions, the perpetrators took Andreas Souppouris' car and drove away. Later, a Turkish Army officer, apparently the area military commander, arrived. He gathered the four wounded, ordered that they be given medical care, and ordered that the dead be buried in an olive grove.

The survivors were then taken to another village, Voni. The two surviving Souppouris children were removed by the Red Cross to the free areas of Cyprus, where they grew up with their aunts. Their story moved the whole Greek-speaking world. Journalist Yiannis Marinos visited Cyprus, met them and made sure that the Greek-based Bodosakis Foundation would take care of their education.

Petros Souppouris always wanted to be a pilot, but on commercial airliners, not military aircraft. He was excused from national service as a result of his family tragedy, and at 20 he concluded his commercial pilot training in Oxford. His brother Costas went on to study information technology, specialising in cryptographic systems, and is working with the Cyprus Police.

After the opening of the Green Line checkpoints in 2003, Turkish Cypriot journalist Sevgul Uludag published the story of the Souppouris family in Yeni Duzen newspaper and took the initiative to try and help find the mass grave of the missing of Palekythro. In the summer of 2007, the grave was located and excavated by the Committee on Missing Persons in Cyprus. Last month, the families were formally informed of the identification of their relatives' remains.

Petros Souppouris, who experienced the horror of that war more than any child of his age, has stated that he does not feel that it is up to him to see that the guilty are punished, or that he should seek revenge, and that is why he has never sought to find out the names of his family's killers. “Those who did this will be punished by life itself,” he said.

After the checkpoints opened in 2003, Petros took his children to his village and showed him the spot where the grandparents, uncles and aunts they never met were murdered. "A good man now lives in my house, who told me that I own the house he lives in and that when I wish to return he will let me have it back," he states.

“Those events took place under the circumstances prevailing then. The challenge now is to become conscious of that. Some people gained, some lost, some were affected by what happened and some were not. What matters now is that my children, your children, our children never have to experience what we did. We have to become conscious of what happened to avoid a repeat of the same in the future.”

Petros Souppouris has taught his children not to hate, and not to see anyone as their enemy. “Whether you have lost your house or not is not important. What matters is that we should learn to live together with the Turkish Cypriots and all our fellow human beings of all nationalities, to understand the concerns of all nationalities.”

Last summer, Petros Souppouris took part in a bicommunal event on reconciliation, where, before a small audience, he related his experiences of the pain that war could wreak.

With him was Hussein Akansoy of Maratha, who was seventeen years old in 1974. Hussein described how he lost 30 of his close relatives in a mass slaughter of Turkish Cypriot civilians, and how he has overcome the pain and rage he felt at the sight of his dead brothers' decapitated bodies to become a supporter of reconciliation."

Oracle, B25 and the rest of the fascist gang of the forum. This is my word and you cannot touch it. Petros and Hussein are my brothers and I do not expect you to understand any of what they said.

[B25]

Banan, if I had wanted a lullaby I have got the missis to sing me one.

So one idiot wants to give up, we all have to follow suit, what are we, all lemmings now?

Moving story, just keep reading them and mama turkey will come and tuck you in.

Whilst you are here, answer this; Do you accept Turkey Guarantor rights over Cyprus??

I am eager to know.

[Oracle]

What is truly sick is that he believes an 'eye for an eye'!

... actually worse (one TC eye for a thousand GC eyes).

[miltiades]

Far greater neighbour than you B25 !!!
I have met Bananiot on a few occasions and consider him to be a perfect gentleman and a true compassionate Cypriot .
His knowledge of the Cyprob is not clouded by bigotry , unlike some who see themselves as "experts" on issues concerning our island. He presents his views , as he is entitled to do so , with fair mindedness and civility .

Re read what he says re, we deserved it, we begged to be murderd and slaughtered.

I judge a man not by what he says to my face but what he says behind my back.

Ban may be a gentlemen to you, but I hear what he says and to me he is a disgrace.

Show me his fair mindedness re, where has he ever said anything about the Turks. He persistant whining about how we dragged them out of bed to murder them, does not represent fairmindedness.

Please save it, Bananiot doesn't need you to speak for him, he can do that well enough himself, when he accuses us all of being cratins and bash patriots.

I remind you, I am also entitled to my views and who are you to tell me otherwise.

Here next time you see him ask him this for me, I would really like to know, "Does he accept Guarantor rights for Turkey over Cyprus"

Cheers

Of course you are entitled to your views regardless how non constructive such views may be to the process of negotiating a solution to the Cyprob.
I can not answer on Bananiots behalf , he is more than capable of doing so him self , as far as Turkey being granted fresh guarantor rights in a new negotiated agreement my own views are well known and the answer is an emphatic No.
I do however recognize the apprehension that a very large number of T/Cs have in insisting on such guarantees. I feel that some sort of international UN sponsored assurances could be acceptable to both sides once both sides recognize the apprehensions of the other rather than a flat dismissal.

[YFred]

Here is the story of an innocent victim of the Turkish invasion. It is about Petros Sourouppis from Palekythron village, who was 9 at the time.

"A group of young Turkish Cypriots from the village of Epicho went looting in Palekythro. They came to Souppouris' farm and took his cows and his modern milking machines. But that was not the worst that fate had in store for a man who had chosen to remain in his village and not be severed from his roots. The Turkish Cypriots returned, armed and determined to kill. Either to silence eyewitness accounts of the looting, or to take revenge, they ordered all members of the Souppouris family and two more families who had sought refuge in their home into the back yard, where they began to shoot them. Their bodies fell on top of each other. Of 21 people, 17 met a horrific death. Four emerged from the carnage wounded, but alive. One, nine-year-old Costas Souppouris, ran away and managed to escape.

Petros Souppouris was wounded in the abdomen. “First they shot the adults, then the children. I was last out of the house. They shot me and I fell unconscious. I came to, and heard one of the wounded asking for water.”

After the executions, the perpetrators took Andreas Souppouris' car and drove away. Later, a Turkish Army officer, apparently the area military commander, arrived. He gathered the four wounded, ordered that they be given medical care, and ordered that the dead be buried in an olive grove.

The survivors were then taken to another village, Voni. The two surviving Souppouris children were removed by the Red Cross to the free areas of Cyprus, where they grew up with their aunts. Their story moved the whole Greek-speaking world. Journalist Yiannis Marinos visited Cyprus, met them and made sure that the Greek-based Bodosakis Foundation would take care of their education.

Petros Souppouris always wanted to be a pilot, but on commercial airliners, not military aircraft. He was excused from national service as a result of his family tragedy, and at 20 he concluded his commercial pilot training in Oxford. His brother Costas went on to study information technology, specialising in cryptographic systems, and is working with the Cyprus Police.

After the opening of the Green Line checkpoints in 2003, Turkish Cypriot journalist Sevgul Uludag published the story of the Souppouris family in Yeni Duzen newspaper and took the initiative to try and help find the mass grave of the missing of Palekythro. In the summer of 2007, the grave was located and excavated by the Committee on Missing Persons in Cyprus. Last month, the families were formally informed of the identification of their relatives' remains.

Petros Souppouris, who experienced the horror of that war more than any child of his age, has stated that he does not feel that it is up to him to see that the guilty are punished, or that he should seek revenge, and that is why he has never sought to find out the names of his family's killers. “Those who did this will be punished by life itself,” he said.

After the checkpoints opened in 2003, Petros took his children to his village and showed him the spot where the grandparents, uncles and aunts they never met were murdered. "A good man now lives in my house, who told me that I own the house he lives in and that when I wish to return he will let me have it back," he states.

“Those events took place under the circumstances prevailing then. The challenge now is to become conscious of that. Some people gained, some lost, some were affected by what happened and some were not. What matters now is that my children, your children, our children never have to experience what we did. We have to become conscious of what happened to avoid a repeat of the same in the future.”

Petros Souppouris has taught his children not to hate, and not to see anyone as their enemy. “Whether you have lost your house or not is not important. What matters is that we should learn to live together with the Turkish Cypriots and all our fellow human beings of all nationalities, to understand the concerns of all nationalities.”

Last summer, Petros Souppouris took part in a bicommunal event on reconciliation, where, before a small audience, he related his experiences of the pain that war could wreak.

With him was Hussein Akansoy of Maratha, who was seventeen years old in 1974. Hussein described how he lost 30 of his close relatives in a mass slaughter of Turkish Cypriot civilians, and how he has overcome the pain and rage he felt at the sight of his dead brothers' decapitated bodies to become a supporter of reconciliation."

Oracle, B25 and the rest of the fascist gang of the forum. This is my word and you cannot touch it. Petros and Hussein are my brothers and I do not expect you to understand any of what they said.

Huseyin and Petros are the true Cypriots whilst the fascist gang on the forum are just pretend. They will never be true Cypriots, they don't have the mental capacity to ever become one. They belong to a sub-human species yet to be identified and classified. Although with mentality like that they would be an insult to any sub-human species too .

[cymart]

These are the true heroes......having the courage to forgive your enemies is hard enough but being able to openly admit it in the face of bigotry,ignorance and hatred is the sign of a person with true spirituality:so many who dared to have been condemned throughout history...... my fathers cousin once gave a job to a German,even after knowing that many of his own relatives died in Treblinka.As he said,blaming every German for the sins of their predecessors would be to prolong the evil of their mistakes...

[miltiades]

[b] Petros and Hussein are my brothers and I do not expect you to understand any of what they said.

Huseyin and Petros are the true Cypriots whilst the fascist gang on the forum are just pretend. They will never be true Cypriots,

The more Cypriots than can express such sentiments the more chance that the future generations will live in peace.

[/quote]Huseyin and Petros are the true Cypriots whilst the fascist gang on the forum are just pretend. They will never be true Cypriots, [/quote]
Are you a trueCypriot Fred ?

[B25]

These are the true heroes......having the courage to forgive your enemies is hard enough but being able to openly admit it in the face of bigotry,ignorance and hatred is the sign of a person with true spirituality:so many who dared to have been condemned throughout history...... my fathers cousin once gave a job to a German,even after knowing that many of his own relatives died in Treblinka.As he said,blaming every German for the sins of their predecessors would be to prolong the evil of their mistakes...

Cymart, I trust he was offered a job well after the event, yes?? Would he have been offered the job during the killing time??

So, since we still have the enemy on our door step and we are still officially at war, how do you see that as a comparison. Do we not emply TCs in RoC? So, your fathers cousin is no different from todays employers, so whats your point.

We are still at war, you, Banana and all the other liked minded people need to remember that and no draw your parallels with historical events that have found solutions years ago.

Have we found a solution yet, there can be no concilition until such time. We are still unter foreign occupation expecting us to mandate their presence and idiots like bananiot condone this and condemn us.

Thats what gets to me.