Well, we are slowly getting there. You have reached the conclusion that I care only for
"submission to an occupying force" and presumably this is what worries you most. I can set your mind to rest but first you should agree with me that such allegations can be thrown about by all opponents of a negotiated solution simply to discredit the person or the political group or party that seeks such a solution. We have all lived through the period of the ambient atmosphere and surely we can not allow this to haunt us again.
All of us who have realised that the only salvation for this country is a compromise solution, have made many friends across the dividing line. Getting to know each other is a necessary prerequisite for moving the process of solution forward. I have some dear friends in the north, people that share the same aspirations with me, who I value greatly. They do not constitute the occupation forces and very much so, they also want to see the back of the Turkish army and the majority of the settlers. Those who think different are not my friends nor do I know them. Those who want the Turkish army to remain and the Turkish guarantees to remain for ever, have close ties with people of the patriotic type of this forum. This may sound paradoxical, but it is very much so for extremists only survive and flourish when confronted by other extremists. They are the two different sides of the same coin. Hence, given our dire situation, those that in practical terms support submission to the occupation forces, are indeed the extremists in our side who want us to try a recipe that has led to disaster in the past. So, please, look at the bigger picture and try to understand what I am saying, especially these days when our politicians are more than preoccupied with the presidential elections of 2013 rather than the national issue which is supposedly their no. 1 on their agenda.
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My dear friend what "came to us" was a massive invasion, killings, rapes and displacement of people. I suggest you learn to be more sensitive to the hurt that the majority of the innocents of this community have been through.... and terminate this discriminatory behaviour that has led to near conclusions such as the one you were trying to disprove to me and Talisker.
For a start, I also consider you a friend and I look forward to getting together one of these days. Bring GR along too. For the serious business now. In 1974 we faced a massive invasion which was third time unlucky for us. It is always useful to remember the conditions that brought on this invasion, but we should leave this out this time round. In 1974 it was our turn to suffer. There was massive displacement, killings and rapes, as you wrote. Of course, as in all wars, the innocent paid a hefty price. In the small paragraph you quoted quite out of context, it does not say what I wrote on numerous occasions. On two previous occasions we basically invited Turkey to step in. First in 1964 and then again in 1967. Our skin then was saved by the dreaded angloamericans at the last moment then. Still we did not learn. We allowed the fanatics to rule our lives and at the end we got what was coming. Sorry to sound cynical but this is what any unbiased observer studying the Cyprob would tell you.
The innocent people who suffered greatly then (I can personalise here but I will not do it) are correct to feel bitter about the Turkish army but they should also remember that the catastrophe came upon us because our fanatics ruled supreme at the time. Without their actions Turkey could not have invaded and there wouldn't be any problems with the TC community in the first place, if I might say so.
The conclusions you, Talisker or anyone else may reach, do not really concern me. These are my views and we can debate them if you like in a civilised manner. Remember, almost before I wrote anything of substance in this forum, I was branded a traitor by forumers like Piratis and a good few others. I will respond to these people in the way I choose and my responses have nothing to do with the "poor innocents" of any side so please do not try to dramatise things. I have no time for this.
