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[miltiades]

All of us Cypriots are equally ASHAMED for the crimes against our people committed by extremists from both sides .
The number of innocent Cypriots killed and from which side the greatest number came from is not the important issue. What is important is that we all have to appreciate each others concerns. It saddens me immensely that the question of Turkish guarantees is not closely examined by those in support of such guarantees. To the vast majority of Cypriot people , many T/Cs included , Turkey is the invader , the occupier , to accept her as a guarantor is paramount to a rape victim accepting the rapist as the guardian angel.
I understand the concerns of my T/C compatriots especially when faced with a minority of G/Cs who are still engulfed in ideologies that were prevalent during the conflict years , but Cyprus has moved on since then , Europe is part of Cyprus and Cyprus is part of Europe .Turkey must know that the majority of the Cypriot people , my self included , will reject her role as a guarantor .

Once again I strongly recommend Sevgul Uludag's book "Oysters with the missing pearls " .

[Oracle]

It's the motive for continuing to repeat this story, endlessly, which should be scrutinised.

Bananiot and the Turk-TCs say statistics don't matter. That's easy when they are so few in their case. It doesn't matter if it was just one case, when it can be repeated a thousand times!

Or, is it the fact this one tragedy was carried out in a Hospital, a place of healing, which makes good copy to remind us all how extra cruel an act it was?

It's these exaggerated statistics which Turkey abuses to justify the invasion. If one tragedy is related a thousand times; for Turkey that is enough to justify all the hospitals she bombed and Napalmed in 1974 ...

[miltiades]

I'm hosting a little get together tomorrow , Sunday , where I shall do what I immensely enjoy , preparing and cooking the lunch fiesta !! A hot and cold buffet consisting of various dips , tarama , houmous etc , smoked salmon , med. prawns , egg mayonnaise , avocado pear roasted with dill , Loukanika from Stroumbi the Great , Lounza , karaolous and mussels in a white creamy sauce . Some Indian delights too !!
Followed by Kleftiko served with Cypriot salad , including fetta cheese and kappari from Erminou in Paphos as well as Roast Cypriot potatoes !!
My guest of honour , my dearest friend Denis and his wife , also attending my eccentric brother , nieces , nephews and the cat from next door aptly named... Winey!!
Just thought I will add a little light content !!

[BirKibrisli]

I'm hosting a little get together tomorrow , Sunday , where I shall do what I immensely enjoy , preparing and cooking the lunch fiesta !! A hot and cold buffet consisting of various dips , tarama , houmous etc , smoked salmon , med. prawns , egg mayonnaise , avocado pear roasted with dill , Loukanika from Stroumbi the Great , Lounza , karaolous and mussels in a white creamy sauce . Some Indian delights too !!
Followed by Kleftiko served with Cypriot salad , including fetta cheese and kappari from Erminou in Paphos as well as Roast Cypriot potatoes !!
My guest of honour , my dearest friend Denis and his wife , also attending my eccentric brother , nieces , nephews and the cat from next door aptly named... Winey!!
Just thought I will add a little light content !!

And such a tasty "light content" it will be,dear miltiades...Wish I could drop it for a bite... Deniz is a lucky man to have you as a friend..You are a True Cypriot,and I salute you once again...

[RichardB]

I'm hosting a little get together tomorrow , Sunday , where I shall do what I immensely enjoy , preparing and cooking the lunch fiesta !! A hot and cold buffet consisting of various dips , tarama , houmous etc , smoked salmon , med. prawns , egg mayonnaise , avocado pear roasted with dill , Loukanika from Stroumbi the Great , Lounza , karaolous and mussels in a white creamy sauce . Some Indian delights too !!
Followed by Kleftiko served with Cypriot salad , including fetta cheese and kappari from Erminou in Paphos as well as Roast Cypriot potatoes !!
My guest of honour , my dearest friend Denis and his wife , also attending my eccentric brother , nieces , nephews and the cat from next door aptly named... Winey!!
Just thought I will add a little light content !!

And such a tasty "light content" it will be,dear miltiades...Wish I could drop it for a bite... Deniz is a lucky man to have you as a friend..You are a True Cypriot,and I salute you once again...

Oh I Know

Why not take a serious thread and turn it into a food thread .....

Why not take it one step further and put it in Gen chat so Halil can come along and copy / paste also

Is it just me seeing a pattern here ???

[Oracle]

I'm hosting a little get together tomorrow , Sunday , where I shall do what I immensely enjoy , preparing and cooking the lunch fiesta !! A hot and cold buffet consisting of various dips , tarama , houmous etc , smoked salmon , med. prawns , egg mayonnaise , avocado pear roasted with dill , Loukanika from Stroumbi the Great , Lounza , karaolous and mussels in a white creamy sauce . Some Indian delights too !!
Followed by Kleftiko served with Cypriot salad , including fetta cheese and kappari from Erminou in Paphos as well as Roast Cypriot potatoes !!
My guest of honour , my dearest friend Denis and his wife , also attending my eccentric brother , nieces , nephews and the cat from next door aptly named... Winey!!
Just thought I will add a little light content !!

And such a tasty "light content" it will be,dear miltiades...Wish I could drop it for a bite... Deniz is a lucky man to have you as a friend..You are a True Cypriot,and I salute you once again...

Oh I Know

Why not take a serious thread and turn it into a food thread .....

Why not take it one step further and put it in Gen chat so Halil can come along and copy / paste also

Is it just me seeing a pattern here ???

Good point, RB! Rallying around Bananiot as though he has no other defence, but the menu for Sunday lunch.

Shall we do away with CyProb altogether?

[BirKibrisli]

DT....I really don't understand your preoccupation with Bananiot...Why is it you cannot stomach crticism coming from your own side? Bananiot is providing a balance...He is your saving grace...You should be thanking him...As we should be thanking Kikapu for doing the same for our side...

It is easy to show understanding,empathy and compassion for your own side. But when you do it for the "others" that is what really counts...Bananiot realises,like I have realised,that most GCs have their heads in the sand...They have been brainwashed to believe that Cyprus problem began in 1974 when the colonels in Greece decided they needed some kudos,and tried to oust President Makarios....Then the big bad Turkey,who was waiting in the wings to gobble up part of Cyprus came and did her deed...Bananiot is just showing you that there is more to it than that,and more to the point,the GCs are at least as guilty as the TCs and Turkey for the mess we are in...Bananiot knows and talks about the role of the TMT,and the leadership of Denktas et al...But there are so many of you here totally going over the top and blaming it all on the TMT and the TCs and Turkey,that the man feels revolted,if I could be bold enough to give a name to his feelings...He knows that without a balanced and objective look at our past we cannot possible hope for a fair and peaceful future...The man has more wisdom and farsightedness in his little finger than most of the reactionary fanatical GCs here put together...It is a pity someone as sensible and intelligent as yourself cannot see that...

[BirKibrisli]

I'm hosting a little get together tomorrow , Sunday , where I shall do what I immensely enjoy , preparing and cooking the lunch fiesta !! A hot and cold buffet consisting of various dips , tarama , houmous etc , smoked salmon , med. prawns , egg mayonnaise , avocado pear roasted with dill , Loukanika from Stroumbi the Great , Lounza , karaolous and mussels in a white creamy sauce . Some Indian delights too !!
Followed by Kleftiko served with Cypriot salad , including fetta cheese and kappari from Erminou in Paphos as well as Roast Cypriot potatoes !!
My guest of honour , my dearest friend Denis and his wife , also attending my eccentric brother , nieces , nephews and the cat from next door aptly named... Winey!!
Just thought I will add a little light content !!

And such a tasty "light content" it will be,dear miltiades...Wish I could drop it for a bite... Deniz is a lucky man to have you as a friend..You are a True Cypriot,and I salute you once again...

Oh I Know

Why not take a serious thread and turn it into a food thread .....

Why not take it one step further and put it in Gen chat so Halil can come along and copy / paste also

Is it just me seeing a pattern here ???

What is wrong,Richard? you want no light content in a thread dedicated to vilifying Bananiot??? Is there a pattern there too???

[DT.]

DT....I really don't understand your preoccupation with Bananiot...Why is it you cannot stomach crticism coming from your own side? Bananiot is providing a balance...He is your saving grace...You should be thanking him...As we should be thanking Kikapu for doing the same for our side...

It is easy to show understanding,empathy and compassion for your own side. But when you do it for the "others" that is what really counts...Bananiot realises,like I have realised,that most GCs have their heads in the sand...They have been brainwashed to believe that Cyprus problem began in 1974 when the colonels in Greece decided they needed some kudos,and tried to oust President Makarios....Then the big bad Turkey,who was waiting in the wings to gobble up part of Cyprus came and did her deed...Bananiot is just showing you that there is more to it than that,and more to the point,the GCs are at least as guilty as the TCs and Turkey for the mess we are in...Bananiot knows and talks about the role of the TMT,and the leadership of Denktas et al...But there are so many of you here totally going over the top and blaming it all on the TMT and the TCs and Turkey,that the man feels revolted,if I could be bold enough to give a name to his feelings...He knows that without a balanced and objective look at our past we cannot possible hope for a fair and peaceful future...The man has more wisdom and farsightedness in his little finger than most of the reactionary fanatical GCs here put together...It is a pity someone as sensible and intelligent as yourself cannot see that...

Perhaps I'm not as sensible or as intelligent as I'm made out to be.
My pre-occupation with Bananiot is simple.

He is taking moderate, forward thinking GC's and pushing them into extremism. There are many here who hide away in shame everytime Bananiot choses to hide an atrocity against innocents of one community and highlight the atrocities against another community.

They hide and react everytime he chooses to remind us that Turkish guarantees are the only way we can live peacfully on this island and that empathy should be shown to the victims of this war. You tell me Bir what sort of empathy is he showing when he is promoting the key and present agressor of this conflict as a partner in our future?

Where's the empathy to the victims of the executions of Agios Georgios in Kyrenia or the mass executions of Tjaos? Where is the empathy to the families that were executed? Where is his humanity to these people that have done nothing wrong.

Bananiot is a danger to both communities as far as I'm concerned, because he radicalises GC's and absolves TC's.

Kikapu is a bad example to compare, he will never speak of the atrocities of one community and forget the other. His argument is one of democratic and human rights quality of life for all in this country. He knows that should you tilt the balance even more to the TC side with gaurantees, settlers and rotating presidencies then trouble will errupt once again.

You know this is true, Cyprus is not a land of farmers and fishermen anymore Bir, its a land of intelligent educated bankers, lawyers, accoutants and scientists. these people are not idiots and will never accept to have less rights in their own country than they did in the countries they lived as foreigners studying.

Bananiot, can take his obsessions with hospitals stories, undemocratic governence and foreign guarantees and try to convince a few natives of Papua New Guinea to live this life. All due respect to those tribes people but even they might put up a fight for it.

So for once Bir, open your eyes to what your side is proposing....accept the huge risks and offers made by our side and figure out where you and Bananiot should be concentraring your efforts.


BTW if you haven't gotten the full irony of this line in your above post then I fear you've lost more than your impartiality over the last year.

It is easy to show understanding,empathy and compassion for your own side. But when you do it for the "others" that is what really counts...Bananiot realises,like I have realised,that most GCs have their heads in the sand...

[Malapapa]

DT....I really don't understand your preoccupation with Bananiot...Why is it you cannot stomach crticism coming from your own side? Bananiot is providing a balance...He is your saving grace...You should be thanking him...As we should be thanking Kikapu for doing the same for our side...

It is easy to show understanding,empathy and compassion for your own side. But when you do it for the "others" that is what really counts...Bananiot realises,like I have realised,that most GCs have their heads in the sand...They have been brainwashed to believe that Cyprus problem began in 1974 when the colonels in Greece decided they needed some kudos,and tried to oust President Makarios....Then the big bad Turkey,who was waiting in the wings to gobble up part of Cyprus came and did her deed...Bananiot is just showing you that there is more to it than that,and more to the point,the GCs are at least as guilty as the TCs and Turkey for the mess we are in...Bananiot knows and talks about the role of the TMT,and the leadership of Denktas et al...But there are so many of you here totally going over the top and blaming it all on the TMT and the TCs and Turkey,that the man feels revolted,if I could be bold enough to give a name to his feelings...He knows that without a balanced and objective look at our past we cannot possible hope for a fair and peaceful future...The man has more wisdom and farsightedness in his little finger than most of the reactionary fanatical GCs here put together...It is a pity someone as sensible and intelligent as yourself cannot see that...

I believe the president of the Republic and leader of the GC community has apologised, on behalf of his people, for the misdemeanours committed in the 1960s. He showed by his apology there was 'more to it than 1974'.

Instead of returning this brave goodwill gesture and recipricating with an apology in turn, the so-called leader of the TCs has thrown it back in Christofias's face. Meanwhile the average TC doesn't think there is anything to apologise for, while the most annoying amongst the TCs thinks the President's apology wasn't genuine.

Bananoit knows, as all wise and far-sighted people know, that without a balanced and objective look at the past there can be no hope of a fair and peaceful future. There is no balance or objectivity allowed from Turkey's puppets and outlaws in the north. There can be no more from those free from this regime's clutches in such circumstances.

It is a pity someone (who thinks they are) sensible and intelligent as yourself, cannot see that.