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[londoner]

Most discussions result in the arguments surrounding property and generally focus on GC losses post 1974. Evidence, however, shows that the losses of land for both communities had started in the 1960's.

The 1891 census showed 346 of the 702 population centres were mixed but by 1970 only 48 of 602 remained mixed.

Cypriot Government statistics from the census of 1960 showed a GC population of 76.9% or approximately 442,000 owning 71% of the land and 18.2% TC or approximately 103,000 owning 28% of total land.

The inter-communal strife of the 1960's led to GC abandoning 12 mixed villages and this affected some 750 GC.

TC abandoned 72 mixed villages and 24 TC villages and this affected some 20,000 to 25,000 TC.

The land ownership figure of 28% by TC significantly reduced during this period with approximately 25% of the TC population leaving their land and homes.

The property issue is complex and just looking at post 1974 provides a false picture and ignores the misery of those GC and TC whose losses occurred prior to 1974.

[RichardB]

http://www.prio.no/upload/Cyprus%20Prop ... (corrected).pdf
Interesting article above re land distribution pre and post 1974

I am pretty sure that this may be where londoner got his above information.

While not wishing to copy paste the entire article (it is rather long) it is interesting reading although it does not make any specific conclusions as to the true figure of ownership

One of the conclusions drawn (or rather obstacle put forward) is that no matter whose figures you use the GC ownership of land in the occupied areas is between 63% and 78% and obviously far greater in the RoC

[YFred]

Most discussions result in the arguments surrounding property and generally focus on GC losses post 1974. Evidence, however, shows that the losses of land for both communities had started in the 1960's.

The 1891 census showed 346 of the 702 population centres were mixed but by 1970 only 48 of 602 remained mixed.

Cypriot Government statistics from the census of 1960 showed a GC population of 76.9% or approximately 442,000 owning 71% of the land and 18.2% TC or approximately 103,000 owning 28% of total land.

The inter-communal strife of the 1960's led to GC abandoning 12 mixed villages and this affected some 750 GC.

TC abandoned 72 mixed villages and 24 TC villages and this affected some 20,000 to 25,000 TC.

The land ownership figure of 28% by TC significantly reduced during this period with approximately 25% of the TC population leaving their land and homes.

The property issue is complex and just looking at post 1974 provides a false picture and ignores the misery of those GC and TC whose losses occurred prior to 1974.

28% where's GR and Kiks baby when you need them?

[kurupetos]

http://www.prio.no/upload/Cyprus%20Property%20Report%202%20Trimmed%20(corrected).pdf
Interesting article above re land distribution pre and post 1974

I am pretty sure that this may be where londoner got his above information.

While not wishing to copy paste the entire article (it is rather long) it is interesting reading although it does not make any specific conclusions as to the true figure of ownership

One of the conclusions drawn (or rather obstacle put forward) is that no matter whose figures you use the GC ownership of land in the occupied areas is between 63% and 78% and obviously far greater in the RoC

I will also add the authors of this rubbish:
AYLA GÜREL & KUDRET ÖZERSAY

Those are some odd norwegian names.

[RichardB]

Most discussions result in the arguments surrounding property and generally focus on GC losses post 1974. Evidence, however, shows that the losses of land for both communities had started in the 1960's.

The 1891 census showed 346 of the 702 population centres were mixed but by 1970 only 48 of 602 remained mixed.

Cypriot Government statistics from the census of 1960 showed a GC population of 76.9% or approximately 442,000 owning 71% of the land and 18.2% TC or approximately 103,000 owning 28% of total land.

The inter-communal strife of the 1960's led to GC abandoning 12 mixed villages and this affected some 750 GC.

TC abandoned 72 mixed villages and 24 TC villages and this affected some 20,000 to 25,000 TC.

The land ownership figure of 28% by TC significantly reduced during this period with approximately 25% of the TC population leaving their land and homes.

The property issue is complex and just looking at post 1974 provides a false picture and ignores the misery of those GC and TC whose losses occurred prior to 1974.

28% where's GR and Kiks baby when you need them?

Hi Fredricko

In all fairness the 28% ( In the article I give above its 26.7%) is the figure given by the Turkish Cypriot Cartographers Org (or something like that)
The Official figure by the Cyprus Land and Surveys dept is 16.8% for the same period (Pre 74)
The above figures are based on Island wide Private ownership
I would guess the only way to get near a true percentage (as TCs like yourself would accept the 26.7% and GCs the 16.8%) would be to average the 2 figures out and get a figure of around 21% TC ownership
Whichever way you look at it the Ocupation area / Land ownership ratio is pretty unfair

[RichardB]

http://www.prio.no/upload/Cyprus%20Property%20Report%202%20Trimmed%20(corrected).pdf
Interesting article above re land distribution pre and post 1974

I am pretty sure that this may be where londoner got his above information.

While not wishing to copy paste the entire article (it is rather long) it is interesting reading although it does not make any specific conclusions as to the true figure of ownership

One of the conclusions drawn (or rather obstacle put forward) is that no matter whose figures you use the GC ownership of land in the occupied areas is between 63% and 78% and obviously far greater in the RoC

I will also add the authors of this rubbish:
AYLA GÜREL & KUDRET ÖZERSAY

Those are some odd norwegian names.

Yes I thought that myself but the article does give both sides figures for ownership and does seem to be quite neutral if somewhat long winded without actually making any judgements on either sides figures

[Oracle]

Whatever figures you look at it makes me wonder why the TCs think they have a right to own a bigger percentage than the GCs. Their Ottoman land-grabs, perhaps? In fact, why should they think they "own" anything.

It ALL belongs to the RoC!

[RichardB]

Whatever figures you look at it makes me wonder why the TCs think they have a right to own a bigger percentage than the GCs. Their Ottoman land-grabs, perhaps? In fact, why should they think they "own" anything.

It ALL belongs to the RoC!

Re Ottoman land grabs ...I prefer the term Anatolian demographic changing settlers as my prefered wording

and, I also believe the land is the property of the person named on the pre 74 title deeds be they TC, GC or Other , The only true and legal owner is the person on these deeds

[YFred]

Whatever figures you look at it makes me wonder why the TCs think they have a right to own a bigger percentage than the GCs. Their Ottoman land-grabs, perhaps? In fact, why should they think they "own" anything.

It ALL belongs to the RoC!

Re Ottoman land grabs ...I prefer the term Anatolian demographic changing settlers as my prefered wording

and, I also believe the land is the property of the person named on the pre 74 title deeds be they TC, GC or Other , The only true and legal owner is the person on these deeds

Don't be silly Richard. It all belongs to them. Yeap, you'll get all of it dearest Oracle.



Ela gori en galon braman.

[kurupetos]

The official RoC data on land distribution for privately owned land are as follows:

Greeks Turks Others
82.7% 16.7% 0.6%

http://agrino.org/humrights/proposals/77prpsal.html