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[bill cobbett]

Don't like the inferred implication in the OP and Title that GB CYs are the Diaspora of CY! Everyone knows it's the other way around and CY has become the Diaspora of the The CY Republic of North London.

Are there any Cypriots in South London?

Only a couple of bus-pass carrying yerrous.

Oh, yes. I know one.

You should know both.

[miltiades]

I think I may just tell you when I arrived at ...Victoria station way back in 1961 , GR has repeatedly asked to hear the story again and againg , well here it is .....

[Cap]

I'd have to say UK

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Cypriots

[Cap]

And then of course if you want to include both Greek and Cypriot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_British

[Oracle]

Oracle I think migration to Australia is a much more recent phenomenon (late 70's, 80's and then it tapered off in the 1990's.) So zero to hero success stories are still very common . Once you are established in a place you become complacent. Kids or grandkids of immigrants or refugees do not do as well as the refugees themselves. The success stories are not the product of "opportunities" in country A or B it has more to do with killer instinct. Australia is still xenophobic in many ways so to be successful you have to pretend you are a" Super Aussie" including playing Rugby(In NSW), Cricket , Surfing and talking about Aussie shares when there may be better options available. This how you win contracts from your traditional Aussie. You can never talk about where you come from and the problems. I learned that you cannot say for example" Who cares if Indonesia invades, I will just learn Indonesian". Did not go down well. You have to move away from traditional Cypriot circles to make money or achieve success. I have friends who have two personalities one for doing business with Aussies and one for Cypriots. I have met a few kids who have come here from Cyprus more recently. Unfortunately they do last here. Especially the kids who are shipped over here by the Cypriot banks.Talk about boutiropeda. No killer instinct. If their uncle did not get them a job at the bank they would only be suitable for stacking supermarket shelves. I think there is a big difference between Refugees versus immigrants. Immigrants left Cyprus because they were hungry. Refugees came from every stratum of society. A perfect recipe for killer instinct is the situation where you had a decent standard of living but then you are forced to live like shit. If you never had money you will not be as humiliated.

I think it is wrong to think of Sydney as a laid back place. People are very competitive and life is very fast paced (maybe because of the cocaine). Melbourne is much more laid back and welcoming to foreigners but it is harder to make a buck there. I plan on a move to Melbourne in the next few years.

Thanks for that SKI-preo. Interestingly, you raise some points of what drives people to success and I guess that would be the same, immigrants and refugees, regardless of their host country. Although, the barriers to such social mobility or wealth acquisition are probably where the three countries differ the most.

The "Super Aussie" talking about rugby etc is probably mirrored in the old-boy network, in the UK. I guess the women are excluded from these spheres, equally, in both countries.

The two-personalities function works universally too. It's always funny to see how much affectation goes into adopting a 'respectable' non-Cypriot persona in order to fit in, and then the real camaraderie is reserved for one's own.

[Oracle]

I'd have to say UK

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Cypriots

Cap ... for some reason I assumed you had Canadian connections. It must be the ice-hockey posts.

I guess ice-hockey is a prime example of a hobby/interest/profession acquired purely from going abroad.

[wyoming cowboy]

I havent ever been to Australia or England, my only choice is to say that it would be America...but i would have to also say like my sinxoriano, that san tin Kyrenia en eshi!!!!!!

[wyoming cowboy]

I would have to admit that i really dont know too much about either England or Australia. Unless you live in New York city, you would have to really look for Cypriots to communicate with. I see Greeks often with my travels around the USA, but rarely will you run into a Cypriot in Wyoming for instance or Oklahoma. Im sure its just as easy to make money in the USA as it is to make it in England or Australia. One interesting thing that hit me when i was in Cyprus last year is that i felt like i could meet up or bump into a person that ive known before ie a family member or family friend.... Anonimity in Cyprus does not exist as im used to it, every other corner there is a relative or a friend of one... and to add im used to driving cross country which usually takes 3-4 days....Iam on one corner of Cyprus lets say Pyrgos(Tylliria) at 9AM and Ayia Napa at 2PM...of the same day...That one needs to fit in does exist here in the USA, to some extent, but i dont think its that great, people are conditioned to accept all types even Cypriots...unless you are in a small town like Waco Texas where they think everyone with dark hair and eyes is a Mexican crossing the border....

[Paphitis]

Oracle I think migration to Australia is a much more recent phenomenon (late 70's, 80's and then it tapered off in the 1990's.) So zero to hero success stories are still very common . Once you are established in a place you become complacent. Kids or grandkids of immigrants or refugees do not do as well as the refugees themselves. The success stories are not the product of "opportunities" in country A or B it has more to do with killer instinct. Australia is still xenophobic in many ways so to be successful you have to pretend you are a" Super Aussie" including playing Rugby(In NSW), Cricket , Surfing and talking about Aussie shares when there may be better options available. This how you win contracts from your traditional Aussie. You can never talk about where you come from and the problems. I learned that you cannot say for example" Who cares if Indonesia invades, I will just learn Indonesian". Did not go down well. You have to move away from traditional Cypriot circles to make money or achieve success. I have friends who have two personalities one for doing business with Aussies and one for Cypriots. I have met a few kids who have come here from Cyprus more recently. Unfortunately they do last here. Especially the kids who are shipped over here by the Cypriot banks.Talk about boutiropeda. No killer instinct. If their uncle did not get them a job at the bank they would only be suitable for stacking supermarket shelves. I think there is a big difference between Refugees versus immigrants. Immigrants left Cyprus because they were hungry. Refugees came from every stratum of society. A perfect recipe for killer instinct is the situation where you had a decent standard of living but then you are forced to live like shit. If you never had money you will not be as humiliated.

I think it is wrong to think of Sydney as a laid back place. People are very competitive and life is very fast paced (maybe because of the cocaine). Melbourne is much more laid back and welcoming to foreigners but it is harder to make a buck there. I plan on a move to Melbourne in the next few years.

Strewth! You are full of shit mate!

Do you want to know something. My old man came to Australia, almost as a qualified Chef. As a Cypriot born British Subject, who was then naturalized as an Aussie, and only after living in Australia for a few years, and with broken English, he became a Chef in the Aussie Army whilst the country was at war with North Vietnam(not bad for a "racist" country). I was born and grew up in the country mate, so don't talk to me about racism because you don't have any idea what your talking about. I remember getting beat up by Victorian coppers, and my revenge was smashing their cars by throwing big rocks through their wind screens. In my youth, I bordered on semi hyperactive delinquency due to this racism, but that was a long time ago!

Since this is the way you feel about Australia, then I suggest you join Bir and leave us "Super Aussies" alone.

No need for a "killer instinct" to make money in this country. All you need is half a brain. Are you adequately equipped?

[Epiktitos]

Oracle I think migration to Australia is a much more recent phenomenon (late 70's, 80's and then it tapered off in the 1990's.) So zero to hero success stories are still very common . Once you are established in a place you become complacent. Kids or grandkids of immigrants or refugees do not do as well as the refugees themselves. The success stories are not the product of "opportunities" in country A or B it has more to do with killer instinct. Australia is still xenophobic in many ways so to be successful you have to pretend you are a" Super Aussie" including playing Rugby(In NSW), Cricket , Surfing and talking about Aussie shares when there may be better options available. This how you win contracts from your traditional Aussie. You can never talk about where you come from and the problems. I learned that you cannot say for example" Who cares if Indonesia invades, I will just learn Indonesian". Did not go down well. You have to move away from traditional Cypriot circles to make money or achieve success. I have friends who have two personalities one for doing business with Aussies and one for Cypriots. I have met a few kids who have come here from Cyprus more recently. Unfortunately they do last here. Especially the kids who are shipped over here by the Cypriot banks.Talk about boutiropeda. No killer instinct. If their uncle did not get them a job at the bank they would only be suitable for stacking supermarket shelves. I think there is a big difference between Refugees versus immigrants. Immigrants left Cyprus because they were hungry. Refugees came from every stratum of society. A perfect recipe for killer instinct is the situation where you had a decent standard of living but then you are forced to live like shit. If you never had money you will not be as humiliated.

I think it is wrong to think of Sydney as a laid back place. People are very competitive and life is very fast paced (maybe because of the cocaine). Melbourne is much more laid back and welcoming to foreigners but it is harder to make a buck there. I plan on a move to Melbourne in the next few years.

Strewth! You are full of shit mate!

Do you want to know something. My old man came to Australia, almost as a qualified Chef. As a Cypriot born British Subject, who was then naturalized as an Aussie, and only after living in Australia for a few years, and with broken English, he became a Chef in the Aussie Army whilst the country was at war with North Vietnam(not bad for a "racist" country). I was born and grew up in the country mate, so don't talk to me about racism because you don't have any idea what your talking about. I remember getting beat up by Victorian coppers, and my revenge was smashing their cars by throwing big rocks through their wind screens. In my youth, I bordered on semi hyperactive delinquency due to this racism, but that was a long time ago!

Since this is the way you feel about Australia, then I suggest you join Bir and leave us "Super Aussies" alone.

No need for a "killer instinct" to make money in this country. All you need is half a brain. Are you adequately equipped?

Why is it that nobody who ever got slapped around by the cops ever deserved it?!