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[Viewpoint]

Soon you GCs will see that whether or not we bear similiarities with the given examples what have physically will over time be legalized thanks to the adamant and despot GC intrangience.

[B25]

Soon you GCs will see that whether or not we bear similiarities with the given examples what have physically will over time be legalized thanks to the adamant and despot GC intrangience.

VP talking shit again. Mate if you have nothing useful to add, then don't. Its obligatory to make comments especially when they are totally meaningless.

Remember, you need us more then we need you.

Cheers

[B25]

There are scenarios where both sides can be appeased regarding the guarantor situation, noone seems to want to go that route, Nato could guarantee Cyprus's independence, as it guarantees the independence of all nato countries. Other then Turkey what other nato country has internal problems?

The Czech Republic and Slovakia don't, now that they have decided to go their own ways.

Nor do Croatia and Slovenia, now that they have decided to go their own ways.

Their could be a hint in there for Cyprus

Were any of the above invaded by foreign forces, murdered, raped, colonised and ethnically cleansed the indiginous people????

Why do you think they are similar to Cyprus, total rubbish.

They bear no parallels and people who try to use such ridiculous examples are those desperate to split this country up.

Cyprus is one, no north or south, just one, but has a occupying arming illegally station here and constantly threatening its people.

Enough of this talk of dividing our island.

Nor did I say that any of the above were invaded ... etc. although Croatia, Slovenia and probably all the other bits of former-Yugoslavia that will eventually be allowed into NATO for political reasons do bear a certain similarity to Cyprus in that separation has resulted in peaceful co-operation, or at least co-existence, where there was bloodshed before.

As for your statement that Cyprus is one, no north or south, it's a long time since I was at school, but I remember no law of nature saying that Cyprus had to be one political unit. Whether Cyprus is one or not, like borders everywhere, is a political decision.

Nor did I say that you had, the point I was making is that you were comparing the other countries that had agreed to their own seperate ways to a country that had a forced division. You were making it sound like, "If it is ok for them, then why not Cyprus", and this is where I was correcting you and ASKING the question, were any invaded, gone their own seperate ways which propmted you to compare it with the Cyprus situation.

Cyprus is one, Observer, always has been, a co-exsistance yes, but was always one. We had no internal borders (cease fire lines), they started where the Med met the land, however now we are talking internal borders.

Do you see my gist?

[YFred]

There are scenarios where both sides can be appeased regarding the guarantor situation, noone seems to want to go that route, Nato could guarantee Cyprus's independence, as it guarantees the independence of all nato countries. Other then Turkey what other nato country has internal problems?

The Czech Republic and Slovakia don't, now that they have decided to go their own ways.

Nor do Croatia and Slovenia, now that they have decided to go their own ways.

Their could be a hint in there for Cyprus

Were any of the above invaded by foreign forces, murdered, raped, colonised and ethnically cleansed the indiginous people????

Why do you think they are similar to Cyprus, total rubbish.

They bear no parallels and people who try to use such ridiculous examples are those desperate to split this country up.

Cyprus is one, no north or south, just one, but has a occupying arming illegally station here and constantly threatening its people.

Enough of this talk of dividing our island.

Nor did I say that any of the above were invaded ... etc. although Croatia, Slovenia and probably all the other bits of former-Yugoslavia that will eventually be allowed into NATO for political reasons do bear a certain similarity to Cyprus in that separation has resulted in peaceful co-operation, or at least co-existence, where there was bloodshed before.

As for your statement that Cyprus is one, no north or south, it's a long time since I was at school, but I remember no law of nature saying that Cyprus had to be one political unit. Whether Cyprus is one or not, like borders everywhere, is a political decision.

Nor did I say that you had, the point I was making is that you were comparing the other countries that had agreed to their own seperate ways to a country that had a forced division. You were making it sound like, "If it is ok for them, then why not Cyprus", and this is where I was correcting you and ASKING the question, were any invaded, gone their own seperate ways which propmted you to compare it with the Cyprus situation.

Cyprus is one, Observer, always has been, a co-exsistance yes, but was always one. We had no internal borders (cease fire lines), they started where the Med met the land, however now we are talking internal borders.

Do you see my gist?

And if the good gc ministers in 1960 did not have a meeting to write the dreaded akritas plan, we would be exactly where you wish but the horse has bolted my friend, no point closing the barn door. It is too late as Fucellena used to say.

[paliometoxo]

and if the turkish government did not decide on tmt blowing up the tcs doorstep for takism we would not be in this situation either... you can play the blame game all you want but it wont help either sides. we need to move on and forget that rubbish that happened 30 40 years ago and make a fresh start

[CopperLine]

There are scenarios where both sides can be appeased regarding the guarantor situation, noone seems to want to go that route, Nato could guarantee Cyprus's independence, as it guarantees the independence of all nato countries. Other then Turkey what other nato country has internal problems?

The Czech Republic and Slovakia don't, now that they have decided to go their own ways.

Nor do Croatia and Slovenia, now that they have decided to go their own ways.

Their could be a hint in there for Cyprus

Were any of the above invaded by foreign forces, murdered, raped, colonised and ethnically cleansed the indiginous people????

Why do you think they are similar to Cyprus, total rubbish.

They bear no parallels and people who try to use such ridiculous examples are those desperate to split this country up.

Cyprus is one, no north or south, just one, but has a occupying arming illegally station here and constantly threatening its people.

Enough of this talk of dividing our island.

Well the answer to your question B25 is yes : the creation of Czechoslovakia on the one hand and Yugoslavia on the other hand - the predecessor states of the Czech and Slovak republics, and Croatia and Slovenia, respectively were a direct consequences of colonisation and ethnic cleansing and there are interesting parallels with Cyprus.

The trouble with much of the Cyprus question and discussions on this forum is that too many people think that no-one else has suffered what Cyprus has suffered and that Cyprus has got nothing to learn from other peoples who have suffered ethnic cleansing and enjoyed the benefits of reconciliation.

[Get Real!]

...the creation of Czechoslovakia on the one hand and Yugoslavia on the other hand - the predecessor states of the Czech and Slovak republics, and Croatia and Slovenia, respectively were a direct consequences of colonisation and ethnic cleansing and there are interesting parallels with Cyprus.

I always find alleged “parallels” between countries very amusing... care to entertain us Copperline?

PS: Referring to your Czechoslovakia vs Cyprus “parallels”.

[CopperLine]

...the creation of Czechoslovakia on the one hand and Yugoslavia on the other hand - the predecessor states of the Czech and Slovak republics, and Croatia and Slovenia, respectively were a direct consequences of colonisation and ethnic cleansing and there are interesting parallels with Cyprus.

I always find alleged “parallels” between countries very amusing... care to entertain us Copperline?

PS: Referring to your Czechoslovakia vs Cyprus “parallels”.

care to entertain us Copperline?

No.

[YFred]

and if the turkish government did not decide on tmt blowing up the tcs doorstep for takism we would not be in this situation either... you can play the blame game all you want but it wont help either sides. we need to move on and forget that rubbish that happened 30 40 years ago and make a fresh start

Palio, the TMT bomb was in 1963. Akritas plan was written in 1960. There is a big difference.

[Get Real!]

...the creation of Czechoslovakia on the one hand and Yugoslavia on the other hand - the predecessor states of the Czech and Slovak republics, and Croatia and Slovenia, respectively were a direct consequences of colonisation and ethnic cleansing and there are interesting parallels with Cyprus.

I always find alleged “parallels” between countries very amusing... care to entertain us Copperline?

PS: Referring to your Czechoslovakia vs Cyprus “parallels”.

care to entertain us Copperline?

No.

I didn't think you would...