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[YFred]

Right Malapapa. So these referendums. If they should take place of course.

Are you saying that the votes cast will be counted all together as a whole? And that if enough people vote yes both N and S it counts as a yes?

Or do BOTH SIDES have to have a majority yes (or no) vote?

Just your mention of who will be entitled to vote that has me puzzled. Wondering why you are bothered about who can vote in the TRNC.

I haven't thought much about the referendums at all. I have assumed they won't reach agreement anyway as they seem to have irreconcilable differences already. The troops, guarantors, the flag, and waddever!

That's a new one, have they not agreed on waddever either? I thought that was agreed.

[bill cobbett]

Right Malapapa. So these referendums. If they should take place of course.

Are you saying that the votes cast will be counted all together as a whole? And that if enough people vote yes both N and S it counts as a yes?

Or do BOTH SIDES have to have a majority yes (or no) vote?

Just your mention of who will be entitled to vote that has me puzzled. Wondering why you are bothered about who can vote in the TRNC.

I haven't thought much about the referendums at all. I have assumed they won't reach agreement anyway as they seem to have irreconcilable differences already. The troops, guarantors, the flag, and waddever!

That's a new one, have they not agreed on waddever either? I thought that was agreed.

No mate, remember .... "nothing waddever is agreed 'til everything, including waddever, is agreed".

[Gasman]

Right! I geddit!

I think they've agreed on quite a lot of waddevers, just none of the IMPORTANT stuff lol!

[bill cobbett]

Right! I geddit!

I think they've agreed on quite a lot of waddevers, just none of the IMPORTANT stuff lol!

Yes, but to stress that.... any agreement on waddevers to date becomes null and void if they fail to agree on the remaining waddevers. ..... cos the only important waddever that has been agreed, and it was agreed at the outset, is that nothing is agreed 'til everything has been agreed.

[Oracle]

Right! I geddit!

I think they've agreed on quite a lot of waddevers, just none of the IMPORTANT stuff lol!

Yes, but to stress that.... any agreement on waddevers to date becomes null and void if they fail to agree on the remaining waddevers. ..... cos the only important waddever that has been agreed, and it was agreed at the outset, is that nothing is agreed 'til everything has been agreed.

What are the chances of "everything" being agreed?

I don't understand this logic.

[Epiktitos]

Right! I geddit!

I think they've agreed on quite a lot of waddevers, just none of the IMPORTANT stuff lol!

Yes, but to stress that.... any agreement on waddevers to date becomes null and void if they fail to agree on the remaining waddevers. ..... cos the only important waddever that has been agreed, and it was agreed at the outset, is that nothing is agreed 'til everything has been agreed.

What are the chances of "everything" being agreed?

I don't understand this logic.

The logic is that any particular offer (say to accept 50,000 settlers) is not isolated and unilateral; this caveat prevents the other side from making political miles out of a good faith offer, for example the way they do in their oft-repeated condemnation of the EU for accepting a "divided" island into the EU despite the GCs rejecting the AP, which the tcs accepted it; or the other gem of constantly bringing up the EUs "broken promise" to end the "embargo" in justifying the refusal to honour commitments made under the EU customs protocol.

[Oracle]

Right! I geddit!

I think they've agreed on quite a lot of waddevers, just none of the IMPORTANT stuff lol!

Yes, but to stress that.... any agreement on waddevers to date becomes null and void if they fail to agree on the remaining waddevers. ..... cos the only important waddever that has been agreed, and it was agreed at the outset, is that nothing is agreed 'til everything has been agreed.

What are the chances of "everything" being agreed?

I don't understand this logic.

The logic is that any particular offer (say to accept 50,000 settlers) is not isolated and unilateral; this caveat prevents the other side from making political miles out of a good faith offer, for example the way they do in their oft-repeated condemnation of the EU for accepting a "divided" island into the EU despite the GCs rejecting the AP, which the tcs accepted it; or the other gem of constantly bringing up the EUs "broken promise" to end the "embargo" in justifying the refusal to honour commitments made under the EU customs protocol.

Thank you newbie. That makes sense.

What doesn't make sense is why I can't make any anagrams out of your name

[bill cobbett]

Right! I geddit!

I think they've agreed on quite a lot of waddevers, just none of the IMPORTANT stuff lol!

Yes, but to stress that.... any agreement on waddevers to date becomes null and void if they fail to agree on the remaining waddevers. ..... cos the only important waddever that has been agreed, and it was agreed at the outset, is that nothing is agreed 'til everything has been agreed.

What are the chances of "everything" being agreed?

I don't understand this logic.

The logic is that any particular offer (say to accept 50,000 settlers) is not isolated and unilateral; this caveat prevents the other side from making political miles out of a good faith offer, for example the way they do in their oft-repeated condemnation of the EU for accepting a "divided" island into the EU despite the GCs rejecting the AP, which the tcs accepted it; or the other gem of constantly bringing up the EUs "broken promise" to end the "embargo" in justifying the refusal to honour commitments made under the EU customs protocol.

Thank you newbie. That makes sense.

What doesn't make sense is why I can't make any anagrams out of your name

Another way to look at the settlement talks over the years is as a kind of Fruit Machine, A One-Armed Bandit Machine of the type they have in places like Las Vegas.These machines have "hold" buttons on each of the spinning reels so that a player can "hold" a favourable position on one or some of the reels 'til the next pull of the handle.

Over the years the Turkish negotiating position has been to try and claim the "hold" positions from the previous talks; and as we all know Turkey goes on and on about the positions in previous negotiations, particularly the last and late Annan Scam.

Do keep telling you all, it's all about Fruit.

Sorry if can just add,... nothing agreed til all agreed = no hold buttons.

[Oracle]

Right! I geddit!

I think they've agreed on quite a lot of waddevers, just none of the IMPORTANT stuff lol!

Yes, but to stress that.... any agreement on waddevers to date becomes null and void if they fail to agree on the remaining waddevers. ..... cos the only important waddever that has been agreed, and it was agreed at the outset, is that nothing is agreed 'til everything has been agreed.

What are the chances of "everything" being agreed?

I don't understand this logic.

The logic is that any particular offer (say to accept 50,000 settlers) is not isolated and unilateral; this caveat prevents the other side from making political miles out of a good faith offer, for example the way they do in their oft-repeated condemnation of the EU for accepting a "divided" island into the EU despite the GCs rejecting the AP, which the tcs accepted it; or the other gem of constantly bringing up the EUs "broken promise" to end the "embargo" in justifying the refusal to honour commitments made under the EU customs protocol.

Thank you newbie. That makes sense.

What doesn't make sense is why I can't make any anagrams out of your name

Another way to look at the settlement talks over the years is as a kind of Fruit Machine, A One-Armed Bandit Machine of the type they have in places like Las Vegas.These machines have "hold" buttons on each of the spinning reels so that a player can "hold" a favourable position on one or some of the reels 'til the next pull of the handle.

Over the years the Turkish negotiating position has been to try and claim the "hold" positions from the previous talks; and as we all know Turkey goes on and on about the positions in previous negotiations, particularly the last and late Annan Scam.

Do keep telling you all, it's all about Fruit.

Sorry if can just add,... nothing agreed til all agreed = no hold buttons.

My worry is that an over-generous offer may be made with a view to "nothing agreed till all agreed" and then suddenly it's all agreed and we're stuck with an unwanted agreement.

[bill cobbett]

Right! I geddit!

I think they've agreed on quite a lot of waddevers, just none of the IMPORTANT stuff lol!

Yes, but to stress that.... any agreement on waddevers to date becomes null and void if they fail to agree on the remaining waddevers. ..... cos the only important waddever that has been agreed, and it was agreed at the outset, is that nothing is agreed 'til everything has been agreed.

What are the chances of "everything" being agreed?

I don't understand this logic.

The logic is that any particular offer (say to accept 50,000 settlers) is not isolated and unilateral; this caveat prevents the other side from making political miles out of a good faith offer, for example the way they do in their oft-repeated condemnation of the EU for accepting a "divided" island into the EU despite the GCs rejecting the AP, which the tcs accepted it; or the other gem of constantly bringing up the EUs "broken promise" to end the "embargo" in justifying the refusal to honour commitments made under the EU customs protocol.

Thank you newbie. That makes sense.

What doesn't make sense is why I can't make any anagrams out of your name

Another way to look at the settlement talks over the years is as a kind of Fruit Machine, A One-Armed Bandit Machine of the type they have in places like Las Vegas.These machines have "hold" buttons on each of the spinning reels so that a player can "hold" a favourable position on one or some of the reels 'til the next pull of the handle.

Over the years the Turkish negotiating position has been to try and claim the "hold" positions from the previous talks; and as we all know Turkey goes on and on about the positions in previous negotiations, particularly the last and late Annan Scam.

Do keep telling you all, it's all about Fruit.

Sorry if can just add,... nothing agreed til all agreed = no hold buttons.

My worry is that an over-generous offer may be made with a view to "nothing agreed till all agreed" and then suddenly it's all agreed and we're stuck with an unwanted agreement.

Ultimately/Ultimatessly, guess if it gets that far, we must put our trust in the good and wise people who are the Electorate of the Free Areas of the Republic, who have proved themselves in the past to be very wise when it comes to matters of scammy, appeasing agreements.