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DT you are the last person to talk about hurling abuse at the other community as i âm certain other forum members Will also confirm you try to camaflouge your abuse with sarcasm which we all know to be the lowest form of intelligence.

[DT.]

DT you are the last person to talk about hurling abuse at the other community as i âm certain other forum members Will also confirm you try to camaflouge your abuse with sarcasm which we all know to be the lowest form of intelligence.

If you think I am sarcastic a lot and sarcasm is the lowest form of intelligence then call me an idiot. At least I'm not a racist, or do we have to remind everyone your feelings about your kids growing up in a place where Greek is never heard!

[RAFAELLA]

First, he thought two wrongs make a right. Now he claims a right to not agree but will lose his patience if no one agrees to his right to two states!



Turkish Cyprus PM calls for solution "before patience runs over"

Prime Minister Eroglu stressed that, sooner or later, negotiations in Cyprus will end.

Prime Minister of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC), Dervis Eroglu, said Thursday it was their wish to come to an agreement in Cyprus that will facilitate a solution based on two states.

Speaking to reporters in TRNC capital of Lefkosa, Prime Minister Eroglu stressed that, sooner or later, negotiations in Cyprus will end.

Just as there is a right to reach an agreement, there is also a right to not agree, Prime Minister Eroglu underlined.

We are seeking for a solution in Cyprus before our patience runs over, Eroglu added.

http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=54671

What is he talking about?

"...before our patience runs over" ...they cannot escape from the Ottoman syndrom

Instructions and decisions are coming from Ankara.
We wanted Talat as a negotiator and what do we finally get? What proposals does he place?
The same it will be with Eroglu, if he will get elected and no solution is found by then. I believe Eroglu's behavior it's a game, a tactic, just to put pressure on our side in order to give in in turkish proposals.
Ankaras puppets; they don't even go to the loo without Ankaras permission.

[Viewpoint]

DT you are the last person to talk about hurling abuse at the other community as i âm certain other forum members Will also confirm you try to camaflouge your abuse with sarcasm which we all know to be the lowest form of intelligence.

If you think I am sarcastic a lot and sarcasm is the lowest form of intelligence then call me an idiot. At least I'm not a racist, or do we have to remind everyone your feelings about your kids growing up in a place where Greek is never heard!

you may think you are not racist but what matters is how people percieve you and believe you are like many other GCs who are well known racists you to are a racist add to this your idiotic sarcasm making a racist of the worst kind.

You are taking my comment out of text my request was to bring my children in their own TC environment like anyone else inthe world i think i should also be allowed this right just like the Frenchman or Spaniard wanting to raise their children amongest their own.

[Malapapa]

DT you are the last person to talk about hurling abuse at the other community as i âm certain other forum members Will also confirm you try to camaflouge your abuse with sarcasm which we all know to be the lowest form of intelligence.

Sarcasm is the lowest form of 'wit' (not intelligence).
We all know quoting phrases incorrectly shows low intelligence.

[runaway]

I do not know how to spell it, but this is how Dido Soteriou ends her epic "Farewell Anatolia" Kahr olsun sempet olanlar!

For those that might want to read the book, here is a review of this book.

Manolis Axiotis is born into a farming family in a Greek village in the mountains above Ephesus, where life revolves around the fields and the olive and fig trees. But he gets on badly with his father and is sent to the bustling, cosmopolitan city of Smyrna and exposed to a much broader world.

The villagers speak Turkish themselves and are on good terms with their Turkish neighbours; their lives follow patterns that have evolved over millennia. And Smyrna is a multi-ethnic city, shared by Turks, Greeks, Armenians, Levantines, and others. But the wars that start in 1912 and then 1914 herald a decade of violence that will destroy this world completely.

Manolis is conscripted into the Ottoman army — or rather, as an untrusted Greek, into Labour Battalions which work in appalling conditions. He deserts and goes into hiding, leading a furtive underground life. After the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, he ends up as part of the Greek army and the disastrous campaign to take Ankara. And at the end he is caught up in the massacres involved in the ethnic cleansing of Smyrna.

None of the characters in Farewell Anatolia really come to life: Manolis himself is too much of a blank slate, absorbing information and experiencing events, while the other characters are little more than types. But it is a powerful, gripping tale, offering a panoramic view of the catastrophic end of the Greek communities of Asia Minor. It is an ordinary person's view of how war and nationalism, used by self-centred politicians and amoral Great Powers, can drive communalism and ethnic conflict and destroy communities.

It is a great book. Farewell to Dido Sotiriu.

[DT.]

DT you are the last person to talk about hurling abuse at the other community as i âm certain other forum members Will also confirm you try to camaflouge your abuse with sarcasm which we all know to be the lowest form of intelligence.

If you think I am sarcastic a lot and sarcasm is the lowest form of intelligence then call me an idiot. At least I'm not a racist, or do we have to remind everyone your feelings about your kids growing up in a place where Greek is never heard!

you may think you are not racist but what matters is how people percieve you and believe you are like many other GCs who are well known racists you to are a racist add to this your idiotic sarcasm making a racist of the worst kind.

You are taking my comment out of text my request was to bring my children in their own TC environment like anyone else inthe world i think i should also be allowed this right just like the Frenchman or Spaniard wanting to raise their children amongest their own.

So it doesn't matter who you really are but what really matters is what people think you are?

Tell me, did you teach this logic to your kids?

[miltiades]

DT, you are funny, to say the least. Me and Birkibrisli have acknowledged and deeply condemned atrocities committed by both parts. We did not shy away from those committed by our respective communities. If Cyprus was inhabited by Bananiots and Birkibrislis, our wells would be full with water only and this place would have been a paradise for all Cypriots.

However, your sudden burst of indignation about bodies found in wells and the belated funerals is very touching but If I may remind you, we started this "trend" in the early 60's and if someone was to shut the hell up, that would be you and your like who never found one word of sympathy to utter, when the bodies thrown in wells were not Greek Cypriots. In early 1963, truck loads of murdered Turkish Cypriots were thrown into wells at Parisinos and Makedonitissa area in Nicosia alone, but of course, you and GR need a creditable link and the murderers (who are well known) have not published their heroic acts on the net yet.

Damn the murderers of both sides! They have ruined our lives, the best years of our lives and caused so much misery to Cyprus. I do not know how to spell it, but this is how Dido Soteriou ends her epic "Farewell Anatolia" Kahr olsun sempet olanlar!

For those that might want to read the book, here is a review of this book.

Manolis Axiotis is born into a farming family in a Greek village in the mountains above Ephesus, where life revolves around the fields and the olive and fig trees. But he gets on badly with his father and is sent to the bustling, cosmopolitan city of Smyrna and exposed to a much broader world.

The villagers speak Turkish themselves and are on good terms with their Turkish neighbours; their lives follow patterns that have evolved over millennia. And Smyrna is a multi-ethnic city, shared by Turks, Greeks, Armenians, Levantines, and others. But the wars that start in 1912 and then 1914 herald a decade of violence that will destroy this world completely.

Manolis is conscripted into the Ottoman army — or rather, as an untrusted Greek, into Labour Battalions which work in appalling conditions. He deserts and goes into hiding, leading a furtive underground life. After the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, he ends up as part of the Greek army and the disastrous campaign to take Ankara. And at the end he is caught up in the massacres involved in the ethnic cleansing of Smyrna.

None of the characters in Farewell Anatolia really come to life: Manolis himself is too much of a blank slate, absorbing information and experiencing events, while the other characters are little more than types. But it is a powerful, gripping tale, offering a panoramic view of the catastrophic end of the Greek communities of Asia Minor. It is an ordinary person's view of how war and nationalism, used by self-centred politicians and amoral Great Powers, can drive communalism and ethnic conflict and destroy communities.

Every reasonable Cypriot , either G/C or T/C surely acknowledges that atrocities were committed by both sets of fanatics , hate mongers and people whose homeland was NOT Cyprus but a foreign country . If one thinks that people who were born in some cases just metres from each other would commit such atrocities because they were G/Cs or T/Cs then they are abysmally wrong. Atrocities were committed by those whose allegiance was to another nation and not to our common motherland the island of Cyprus.
To continue with efforts to blacken one or the other side is totally futile and not constructive in any sense. We should try to focus on issues that bind the Cypriot people together not divide us , unless of course most have already resigned to the permanent division of our island.

[londoner]

[/quote][/quote] Every reasonable Cypriot , either G/C or T/C surely acknowledges that atrocities were committed by both sets of fanatics , hate mongers and people whose homeland was NOT Cyprus but a foreign country . If one thinks that people who were born in some cases just metres from each other would commit such atrocities because they were G/Cs or T/Cs then they are abysmally wrong. Atrocities were committed by those whose allegiance was to another nation and not to our common motherland the island of Cyprus.
To continue with efforts to blacken one or the other side is totally futile and not constructive in any sense. We should try to focus on issues that bind the Cypriot people together not divide us , unless of course most have already resigned to the permanent division of our island.[/quote]

Absolutely agree. atrocities were a result of external meddling supported by local fanatics. The continual focus on the past and blaming each other will get us nowhere other than permanent partition. Perhaps we should have a reconciliation commission like in South Africa to put past crimes on trial and allow us all to move forward

[YFred]

[/quote] Every reasonable Cypriot , either G/C or T/C surely acknowledges that atrocities were committed by both sets of fanatics , hate mongers and people whose homeland was NOT Cyprus but a foreign country . If one thinks that people who were born in some cases just metres from each other would commit such atrocities because they were G/Cs or T/Cs then they are abysmally wrong. Atrocities were committed by those whose allegiance was to another nation and not to our common motherland the island of Cyprus.
To continue with efforts to blacken one or the other side is totally futile and not constructive in any sense. We should try to focus on issues that bind the Cypriot people together not divide us , unless of course most have already resigned to the permanent division of our island.[/quote]

Absolutely agree. atrocities were a result of external meddling supported by local fanatics. The continual focus on the past and blaming each other will get us nowhere other than permanent partition. Perhaps we should have a reconciliation commission like in South Africa to put past crimes on trial and allow us all to move forward[/quote]


I made the same statement when first joined. It will not work here becasue GCs want revenge.