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[Gasman]

I found this article interesting.

http://www.sam.gov.tr/perceptions/Volume7/June-August2002/Perception_AhmetGazioglu.pdf

Ahmet C. Gazioğlu is the Editing Director and Manager of the CYPRUS RESEARCH &
PUBLISHING CENTRE in Lefkoşa, Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC). He is
the author of various Turkish and English books on Cyprus. His recent English books
include: The Turks in Cyprus (1990), Cyprus, EU and Turkey (1998), Two Equal &
Sovereign Peoples (2nd Edition 1999), Past Masters of Illegality (2000) and Cyprus: The
Island of Sustained Crises Vol. 2 (2002).

No need for Oracle to rush in to tell me every word is lies and rubbish because the author is not GC. I already know that!

[EPSILON]

I found this article interesting.

http://www.sam.gov.tr/perceptions/Volume7/June-August2002/Perception_AhmetGazioglu.pdf

Ahmet C. Gazioğlu is the Editing Director and Manager of the CYPRUS RESEARCH &
PUBLISHING CENTRE in Lefkoşa, Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC). He is
the author of various Turkish and English books on Cyprus. His recent English books
include: The Turks in Cyprus (1990), Cyprus, EU and Turkey (1998), Two Equal &
Sovereign Peoples (2nd Edition 1999), Past Masters of Illegality (2000) and Cyprus: The
Island of Sustained Crises Vol. 2 (2002).

No need for Oracle to rush in to tell me every word is lies and rubbish because the author is not GC. I already know that!

Without any comment on the sumbitted page i have a simple question.
Can anybody explain to me what is the difference of people of Turkish Ethnicity in Cyprus (T/cs) and the new shettlers came after 1974?
I am looiking for differences related to their (both) appearance in Cyprus.

In comparizon with G/cs for whom i can not locate any historical point showing that they appeared in Cyprys after a certain invasion,as settlers.

I believe that the above basic fact is giving the right to G/cs to say that they are the only true owners of the Island.All others look the same for me.

[YFred]

I found this article interesting.

http://www.sam.gov.tr/perceptions/Volume7/June-August2002/Perception_AhmetGazioglu.pdf

Ahmet C. Gazioğlu is the Editing Director and Manager of the CYPRUS RESEARCH &
PUBLISHING CENTRE in Lefkoşa, Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC). He is
the author of various Turkish and English books on Cyprus. His recent English books
include: The Turks in Cyprus (1990), Cyprus, EU and Turkey (1998), Two Equal &
Sovereign Peoples (2nd Edition 1999), Past Masters of Illegality (2000) and Cyprus: The
Island of Sustained Crises Vol. 2 (2002).

No need for Oracle to rush in to tell me every word is lies and rubbish because the author is not GC. I already know that!

Yes they were united. Pre 1955 before eoka, GC and TC families lived next door to each other like brother and sister or husband and wife. What drove the wedge between them was events of 1955. Simple, isn't it.
Where is that time machine when you need it. However a word of caution for our time travelers, Kavazoglu and Michauli was wise to eoka and TMt and their activities and were helpless in their persuit of waking up the population to the diasater awaiting them. Perhaps with the time machine there should be a magic wand with endless requests.

[Piratis]

Gasman, I can't be bothered to read Turkish propaganda, and I certainly don't expect to be taught the history of my own island by the Turkish government.

Cyprus has always been a single united entity for 1000s of years and it has never been divided into 2, until the 1974 invasion. This is a crystal clear fact and it answers your question.

I assume that what this Ahmet is talking about is not the physical division of the island, but the division between TCs and GCs.

It is true that during Ottoman rule the Ottomans granted to their own Settlers (now called TCs) a lot more rights and privileges than what they allowed to the Cypriots. This is why some Cypriots converted to Islam and were subsequently listed as "TCs" as well. This however was a division based on rights and privileges, not a geographic division. The Cypriot people continued to be the vast majority in all parts of Cyprus, and this has always been the case until the ethnic cleansing of 1974.

After the end of the Ottoman rule the Muslim population of Cyprus started to gradually integrate with the local population, and some of them even converted back to Christianity. At those times people were living together in peace.

However the British and Turkish Imperialists decided to use this Muslim minority as an excuse to deny to the Cypriot people their right for self-determination. They banned the use of Greek among the Muslim population, forbidden to them to interact with the rest of Cypriots, and told them that they are now "Turks". Even worst, they told them that they deserve to have half of Cyprus just for themselves and that they deserve to have rights and privileges on the expense of the rest of the Cypriot population. In this way the gave an incentive to the Muslim population of Cyprus to be separate, just like they had done during the 300+ years of the Ottoman rule. These imperialists continue to benefit from the division in Cyprus and therefore they continue using the TC minority for this purpose.

[Oracle]

Can anybody explain to me what is the difference of people of Turkish Ethnicity in Cyprus (T/cs) and the new shettlers came after 1974?
I am looiking for differences related to their (both) appearance in Cyprus.

Yes they both 'appeared' on Cyprus by well-known and recent invasions. There are no other differences as far as I can tell, as judged from their behaviour.

[Oracle]

No need for Oracle to rush in to tell me every word is lies and rubbish because the author is not GC. I already know that!

If you already know that "every word is lies and rubbish", why did you post it?

[SKI-preo]

DNA analysis of Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots revealed an uncomfortable truth that they share more genetically than either group shares with people from either respective "motherland". Turkish Cypriots were a privileged group made up by some settlers 400 odd years ago but also major numbers of Greek Cypriot and Latin converts to Islam. Many continued to speak Greek until recently and many Turkish Cypriots will admit to you that their grandmother or somebody in their family was Greek Cypriot. Greek Cypriots who did not convert resented their privilege but especially the newly converted Cypriots that they turned their back on their culture. Can you imagine if your brother or sister were born in one culture but then jumped on the band wagon to another (invading) culture to enjoy privileges? This is similar to the way Croats split from the Serbs. Genetically it is almost impossible to tell them apart.

[Oracle]

DNA analysis of Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots revealed an uncomfortable truth that they share more genetically than either group shares with people from either respective "motherland". Turkish Cypriots were a privileged group made up by some settlers 400 odd years ago but also major numbers of Greek Cypriot and Latin converts to Islam. Many continued to speak Greek until recently and many Turkish Cypriots will admit to you that their grandmother or somebody in their family was Greek Cypriot. Greek Cypriots who did not convert resented their privilege but especially the newly converted Cypriots that they turned their back on their culture. Can you imagine if your brother or sister were born in one culture but then jumped on the band wagon to another (invading) culture to enjoy privileges? This is similar to the way Croats split from the Serbs. Genetically it is almost impossible to tell them apart.

Don't start with this "genetics"-backed racist shit, again!

[Get Real!]

DNA analysis of Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots revealed an uncomfortable truth that they share more genetically than either group shares with people from either respective "motherland". Turkish Cypriots were a privileged group made up by some settlers 400 odd years ago but also major numbers of Greek Cypriot and Latin converts to Islam. Many continued to speak Greek until recently and many Turkish Cypriots will admit to you that their grandmother or somebody in their family was Greek Cypriot. Greek Cypriots who did not convert resented their privilege but especially the newly converted Cypriots that they turned their back on their culture. Can you imagine if your brother or sister were born in one culture but then jumped on the band wagon to another (invading) culture to enjoy privileges? This is similar to the way Croats split from the Serbs. Genetically it is almost impossible to tell them apart.

A simple IQ test between the two groups would easily turn your DNA theory on its head…

[Gasman]

Gawd Oracle is that the best you can do for a bit of humour?

As for:

This is a crystal clear fact and it answers your question.

It is not MY question. It is the Title of the Article.

I read all sorts of stuff. Only an idiot would listen to just one side of the argument.

This sort of sums up my view - both sides go on and on and on about which side murdered the most and which side suffered the most and who started the fight and who started the fight before that one and so on. This is not the language of 'resolution' or 'unity'.

TCs and GCs will happily flog off their beloved Cyprus to any foreigner who waves enough cash at them to buy it, and live next door to them, as long as they are not a TC or a GC! They hate each other. This weakens them both and stops them moving forward. If they cannot live together both sides will suffer to some extent as a result.

And my guess is that more than a few on both sides are perfectly happy for things to continue just as they are. Whatever they say the reasons for that are.

And I just do not believe that GCs all treated all TCs as their equals and were kind and nice to them before 1974. Christ, GCs even speak with derision about their fellow GCs if they 'come from the villages'. That seems to sum up all stupid or thick behaviour (or even a worse than average driver) 'he's from the villages'. And you expect people to believe you treated TCs better than that lol!

I have one neighbour who lives in Nicosia and spends holidays and odd weekends in Larnaca. She sees herself as being 'above' GCs who live in Larnaca - even told me Cypriots who work in Nicosia 'work harder' than Cyps who work elsewhere (that's why she needs the rest at weekends apparently - being such a hard working Nicosia person) and I ain't kidding and she IS serious about this lol!