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[Gasman]

From a blogger I read:

http://crossick.blogactiv.eu/2008/02/25/congratulations-president-christofias/

Something that always strikes me is how, when Cyprob is discussed, the question of 'property' is either left out, tacked onto the end of something else or left until last. When it seems to me, certainly judging by this forum, that it is PARAMOUNT to most GCs?

From what I read about the current hopeless 'talks', it is going to be left until just about last there too. If it is the single most difficult aspect of the whole problem now for most, why isn't it put at the forefront? Then, when they fail to agree about 'property', they can save time by not bothering to discuss the rest.

[fwnh]

because they wanna show to UN and EU that they are making steps towards a solution... it's about who's the nicest kid in class, so when the talks fail they can blame it on the others

[fwnh]

* Remember that the tragedy of the island is not its people but its politicians
* The starting point is that TCs have never trusted GC’s and GC’s have never trusted Turks. And the inter-community trust is at it’s lowest since 1963. This is a sad, but understandable truth must be taken into account.
* It takes at least two to quarrel. TCs and GCs mustaccept that they have both been wrong to a greater or lesser extent
* In all settlement discussions, ban the use of the past tense.

* Why must the Turkish army remain on the island, even at a reducing level? This is in practice unnecessary. Turks and Greeks should all leave and be replaced by a NATO or an EU or UN peacekeeping force.
* Guarantors – all three guarantor powers failed the island in 1963: why trust any of them now? They should be replace by NATO or the EU or the UN


Thank you Mr Crossik!! i think it about sums up the whole forum 's ideas (excluding the patriots views )

[YFred]

* Remember that the tragedy of the island is not its people but its politicians
* The starting point is that TCs have never trusted GC’s and GC’s have never trusted Turks. And the inter-community trust is at it’s lowest since 1963. This is a sad, but understandable truth must be taken into account.
* It takes at least two to quarrel. TCs and GCs mustaccept that they have both been wrong to a greater or lesser extent
* In all settlement discussions, ban the use of the past tense.

* Why must the Turkish army remain on the island, even at a reducing level? This is in practice unnecessary. Turks and Greeks should all leave and be replaced by a NATO or an EU or UN peacekeeping force.
* Guarantors – all three guarantor powers failed the island in 1963: why trust any of them now? They should be replace by NATO or the EU or the UN


Thank you Mr Crossik!! i think it about sums up the whole forum 's ideas (excluding the patriots views )

Strange, I though the trouble started because Makarios and his gan began to plan the destruction of the roc and enosis with greece in 1960, just a few months after signing the agreement.
If you think that the TCs will trust you again without the backing of a guarantee from Turkey, you are well lets sa well mistaken.
You can remove any guarantees you like from yourselves, but really to insist that we do the same is rather taking the buscuit, no?
We can decide for ourselves thanks. We really are mature enough for that kind of decision.

[YFred]

* Remember that the tragedy of the island is not its people but its politicians
* The starting point is that TCs have never trusted GC’s and GC’s have never trusted Turks. And the inter-community trust is at it’s lowest since 1963. This is a sad, but understandable truth must be taken into account.
* It takes at least two to quarrel. TCs and GCs mustaccept that they have both been wrong to a greater or lesser extent
* In all settlement discussions, ban the use of the past tense.

* Why must the Turkish army remain on the island, even at a reducing level? This is in practice unnecessary. Turks and Greeks should all leave and be replaced by a NATO or an EU or UN peacekeeping force.
* Guarantors – all three guarantor powers failed the island in 1963: why trust any of them now? They should be replace by NATO or the EU or the UN


Thank you Mr Crossik!! i think it about sums up the whole forum 's ideas (excluding the patriots views )

Strange, I thought the trouble started because Makarios and his gang began to plan the destruction of the roc and enosis with greece in 1960, just a few months after signing the agreement.
If you think that the TCs will trust you again without the backing of a guarantee from Turkey, you are well lets say well mistaken.
You can remove any guarantees you like from yourselves, but really to insist that we do the same is rather taking the buscuit, no?
We can decide for ourselves thanks. We really are mature enough for that kind of decision.

[fwnh]

from the same link:

Turkish Cypriots (TC) and Greek Cypriots(GC) still managed to live together. Fast forward 40 years to opening of Green Line in 2005, when tens of thousands of Cypriots crossed without incident.

IF what you say is genuine, which is why i doubt you... then why not accept a UN army to look after both sides?

[EricSeans]

Thought the Green Line opened in 2003??

[fwnh]

indeed its been 7 years

[YFred]

from the same link:

Turkish Cypriots (TC) and Greek Cypriots(GC) still managed to live together. Fast forward 40 years to opening of Green Line in 2005, when tens of thousands of Cypriots crossed without incident.

IF what you say is genuine, which is why i doubt you... then why not accept a UN army to look after both sides?

UN army is in control of the Permenant members of the secutity council. Do you really think the TCS will trust Russia and the damn frogs for their protection. Please pull the other one the middle one has bells on it. We don't need the Turkish army in Cyprus, but without the gurantee there will never be peace. You will understand it eventually, in about 10 thousand years.

[fwnh]

if the TC's were being targeted would russia as you say or any other country refuse the intervinanse of the UN on an EU state with broad media coverage? i doubt you are that ignorant... you just want turkey to be able to interfere with RoC for reasons you don't want to share with us