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[Gasman]

and also not coming to the aid of the TCs from 1963 to 1974.??.??

What exactly did they need rescuing from during '63 to 74? Surely not the GCs?

[YFred]

and also not coming to the aid of the TCs from 1963 to 1974.??.??

What exactly did they need rescuing from during '63 to 74? Surely not the GCs?

Ask Orcale why they came to the TCs aid in Kochina in 1964? She has some personal experience on the matter.

[Kikapu]

You know fulları well why Turkey could not come to the rescue of the TCs in 1963 thank god we able to make for the delay in 1974.

I don't know who you are, but you are not "the VP". You are full of blunders in your last few posts.

Actually I don't know why Turkey did not come when the TCs were no longer in the RoC government but large majority of them were living in enclaves on UN handouts, and if you are going to tell me the Americans did not allow them, than that's good enough reason for not allowing Turkey to be a guarantor power again if they are only the puppets of the Americans.!

[Viewpoint]

You know fulları well why Turkey could not come to the rescue of the TCs in 1963 thank god we able to make for the delay in 1974.

I don't know who you are, but you are not "the VP". You are full of blunders in your last few posts.

Actually I don't know why Turkey did not come when the TCs were no longer in the RoC government but large majority of them were living in enclaves on UN handouts, and if you are going to tell me the Americans did not allow them, than that's good enough reason for not allowing Turkey to be a guarantor power again if they are only the puppets of the Americans.!

The typing errors are due to the new technology i am using so bearcwith ne while im getting the hang of things. Turkey was awaiting the Cypriots to sort things out talks you also claim were continuing but another important factor was the TA just did have the capacity to intervene in 1963 add to this the American factor and you have the answer.

[BirKibrisli]

from the same link:

Turkish Cypriots (TC) and Greek Cypriots(GC) still managed to live together. Fast forward 40 years to opening of Green Line in 2005, when tens of thousands of Cypriots crossed without incident.

IF what you say is genuine, which is why i doubt you... then why not accept a UN army to look after both sides?

UN army is in control of the Permenant members of the secutity council. Do you really think the TCS will trust Russia and the damn frogs for their protection. Pleas pull the other one the middle one has bells on it. We don't need the Turkish armu in Cyprus, but without the gurantee there will never be peace. You will understand it eventually, in about 10 thousand years.

I fail to understand the logic in your argument.

Why does the invader require a guarantee to remain in Cyprus ! Please kindly explain.

The invader does not require a guarantee to stay...It requires a guarantee to leave...To realise how totally useless the UN forces are anywhere you only need to look at the Rowandan situation not so long ago...More than 500,000 people were slaughtered while the UN forces practically stood and watched...
The TCs will not accept anyone else'e guarantee,only Turkey's...That is one of their red lines...No guarantee no agreement....In don't like it any more than you do,Byron...But that is the reality given our bloody past....Take it or leave it...

Bir, there is the NATO forces that can protect any one in Cyprus. It was the NATO forces that gave Kosovo their liberation from the Serbs. It is the NATO forces who are fighting and dying in Afghanistan. In both the cases, they are fighting/fought to save the non Christians, so if the UN is not up to the job, what's the reason why NATO can't do the job.? Is this not the perfect compromise where each side will have Turks and Greeks as well as other NATO members on the streets of Cyprus to provide what ever security that may be needed for all Cypriots.?

Kikapu,if you could convince the TCs to accept NATO's guarantee I will have no objections,you know that...but I know they won't,not in a million years...NATO was supposed to be protecting the Muslims in Bosnia (remember Sebreniska-spelling?) in 1995...??? Yet it did not stop Karadjich and Mladic from murdering thousands of Bosnian Muslims in cold blood...AS you yourself said before,even Turkey was 11 years too late coming to the aid of the TCs...Anybody who remembers the years 63-74 will never go for any other guarantor...Perhaps when our generation too moves on...but not before...

[denizaksulu]

You know fulları well why Turkey could not come to the rescue of the TCs in 1963 thank god we able to make for the delay in 1974.

I don't know who you are, but you are not "the VP". You are full of blunders in your last few posts.

Actually I don't know why Turkey did not come when the TCs were no longer in the RoC government but large majority of them were living in enclaves on UN handouts, and if you are going to tell me the Americans did not allow them, than that's good enough reason for not allowing Turkey to be a guarantor power again if they are only the puppets of the Americans.!

I cant remember the exact dates, but it must be fore I was made homeless in 1963. I remember gold ornaments were donated to the 'Donanma Vakfi' for the building of Landing Craft. Perhaps it was the lack of landing craft that prevented real intervention of Trkey earlier on in the Cyprus crisis.

I often wondered what happened to all that gold which a lot of people donated to this vakf.

[Kikapu]

from the same link:

Turkish Cypriots (TC) and Greek Cypriots(GC) still managed to live together. Fast forward 40 years to opening of Green Line in 2005, when tens of thousands of Cypriots crossed without incident.

IF what you say is genuine, which is why i doubt you... then why not accept a UN army to look after both sides?

UN army is in control of the Permenant members of the secutity council. Do you really think the TCS will trust Russia and the damn frogs for their protection. Pleas pull the other one the middle one has bells on it. We don't need the Turkish armu in Cyprus, but without the gurantee there will never be peace. You will understand it eventually, in about 10 thousand years.

I fail to understand the logic in your argument.

Why does the invader require a guarantee to remain in Cyprus ! Please kindly explain.

The invader does not require a guarantee to stay...It requires a guarantee to leave...To realise how totally useless the UN forces are anywhere you only need to look at the Rowandan situation not so long ago...More than 500,000 people were slaughtered while the UN forces practically stood and watched...
The TCs will not accept anyone else'e guarantee,only Turkey's...That is one of their red lines...No guarantee no agreement....In don't like it any more than you do,Byron...But that is the reality given our bloody past....Take it or leave it...

Bir, there is the NATO forces that can protect any one in Cyprus. It was the NATO forces that gave Kosovo their liberation from the Serbs. It is the NATO forces who are fighting and dying in Afghanistan. In both the cases, they are fighting/fought to save the non Christians, so if the UN is not up to the job, what's the reason why NATO can't do the job.? Is this not the perfect compromise where each side will have Turks and Greeks as well as other NATO members on the streets of Cyprus to provide what ever security that may be needed for all Cypriots.?

Kikapu,if you could convince the TCs to accept NATO's guarantee I will have no objections,you know that...but I know they won't,not in a million years...NATO was supposed to be protecting the Muslims in Bosnia (remember Sebreniska-spelling?) in 1995...??? Yet it did not stop Karadjich and Mladic from murdering thousands of Bosnian Muslims in cold blood...AS you yourself said before,even Turkey was 11 years too late coming to the aid of the TCs...Anybody who remembers the years 63-74 will never go for any other guarantor...Perhaps when our generation too moves on...but not before...

I shouldn't need to convince the TCs to accept NATO as an alternative for Turkey, since you yourself had stated many times, that compromise will be the name of the game, so here is a perfect compromise that can address and solve the security issues for both sides by using NATO which will have both Greeks and Turks in the force on the island. But we all know that security of the TCs is the least of Turkey's concerns because if that were to be the case, then NATO would be the answer, which Turkey should have been the first to suggest such an ideal compromise, but they have not. No Bir, Turkey wants to stay in Cyprus so to eventually take over the whole island, just like the old glory days of the Ottomans, so lets not kid ourselves here.

This is the second or the third time you have blamed NATO for the failures of the UN in the Bosnian-Serbian war in the past few weeks, Bir. It was the UN who failed to protect the Bosnians in their so called "safe heaven" and not the NATO forces, so lets not mix the two, please.

So it's OK to let Turkey off the hook by the TCs for failing to come to their aid between 1963-1974 to restore order and make sure that the TCs were once again in the RoC government, but instead were allowed to suffer so that the Taksim dream can be accomplished at later stage, since the Americans did not give the green light for the Turks to invade in 1964, and since they couldn't invade, Inönü instructed Küçük and Denktash to return back to the RoC government which they flat out refused. How much blame can we add to Turkey and the TC leadership for those 11 years of the TCs sufferings, Bir, just because Turkey couldn't come when she should have regardless of what the Americans said. Now, the Americans said "NO", because Turkey was going to come and do what they did in 1974, which was Invade and Occupy and not Intervene and restore the RoC government as per their guarantor agreements required. But lets put all that aside because the GCs also played part of the TCs being in the enclaves also, but it is Turkey who is dictating what the TCs want and not the TCs themselves, so lets not assume that ordinary TCs would not accept NATO over Turkey if it means to have a BBF settlement with a prosperous future for the TCs legally,politically and economically under the EU membership and under the watchful eyes of the NATO forces, because since 1974, the TCs have lost all their political, legal and economic power. The only thing they have gained, which 80% does not belong to them, is the GC land in the north, and even that is gradually has become a problem for them in the EU courts. So over all, a compromise by having NATO forces over Turkish forces can be a big win-win for everyone in Cyprus.

[Kikapu]

You know fulları well why Turkey could not come to the rescue of the TCs in 1963 thank god we able to make for the delay in 1974.

I don't know who you are, but you are not "the VP". You are full of blunders in your last few posts.

Actually I don't know why Turkey did not come when the TCs were no longer in the RoC government but large majority of them were living in enclaves on UN handouts, and if you are going to tell me the Americans did not allow them, than that's good enough reason for not allowing Turkey to be a guarantor power again if they are only the puppets of the Americans.!

I cant remember the exact dates, but it must be fore I was made homeless in 1963. I remember gold ornaments were donated to the 'Donanma Vakfi' for the building of Landing Craft. Perhaps it was the lack of landing craft that prevented real intervention of Trkey earlier on in the Cyprus crisis.

I often wondered what happened to all that gold which a lot of people donated to this vakf.

It probably went to Denktash's pocket for his retirement, just like the £1.5 million Pounds for the selling of Vakif's land before 1960.!

[Kikapu]

You know fulları well why Turkey could not come to the rescue of the TCs in 1963 thank god we able to make for the delay in 1974.

I don't know who you are, but you are not "the VP". You are full of blunders in your last few posts.

Actually I don't know why Turkey did not come when the TCs were no longer in the RoC government but large majority of them were living in enclaves on UN handouts, and if you are going to tell me the Americans did not allow them, than that's good enough reason for not allowing Turkey to be a guarantor power again if they are only the puppets of the Americans.!

The typing errors are due to the new technology i am using so bearcwith ne while im getting the hang of things. Turkey was awaiting the Cypriots to sort things out talks you also claim were continuing but another important factor was the TA just did have the capacity to intervene in 1963 add to this the American factor and you have the answer.

Is that new software for you or for your computer, VP.?

Come on, you are misspelling every other word. What gives.??

[Viewpoint]

You know fulları well why Turkey could not come to the rescue of the TCs in 1963 thank god we able to make for the delay in 1974.

I don't know who you are, but you are not "the VP". You are full of blunders in your last few posts.

Actually I don't know why Turkey did not come when the TCs were no longer in the RoC government but large majority of them were living in enclaves on UN handouts, and if you are going to tell me the Americans did not allow them, than that's good enough reason for not allowing Turkey to be a guarantor power again if they are only the puppets of the Americans.!

The typing errors are due to the new technology i am using so bearcwith ne while im getting the hang of things. Turkey was awaiting the Cypriots to sort things out talks you also claim were continuing but another important factor was the TA just did have the capacity to intervene in 1963 add to this the American factor and you have the answer.

Is that new software for you or for your computer, VP.?

Come on, you are misspelling every other word. What gives.??

why are you so interested?