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[fwnh]

when you said... reading the responses here.... i assumed you meant the forum and not the topic, i have never used the past as an argument and i challenge you to prove me wrong

[fwnh]

but we are not the negotiators just anonymous civilians

But you are the very people that any 'solution' is supposed to enable to live together in harmony, aren't you?

If no amount of legislation, nor concessions, nor apologies, is going to achieve that (and it does seem that that's what caused all the trouble in the first place - your inability for the most part to live in harmony together), what's the point of talks?

and we did live together...
*Remember that the tragedy of the island is not its people but its politicians

[Gasman]

OK fwnh - all GCs and TCs love one another and always have done (including those on here calling each other criminals, murderers, perverts and rapists) - it was just the pesky politicians.

I see.

[Gasman]

Oh and those that say 'the only good Turk is a dead Turk' really meant to say 'the only good Turk Politician is a dead Turk Politician'.

I've noted before that lots of GCs now say that they have absolutely nothing against, nor any beef with TCs, it is the Turks they hate.

But if it were true that all GCs had no ill feeling towards TCs, then those Turks would not be here in the first place - would they? Or did they invade (or intervene) because they were so pissed off that the GCs and the TCs were getting along so swimmingly together?

[YFred]

from the same link:

Turkish Cypriots (TC) and Greek Cypriots(GC) still managed to live together. Fast forward 40 years to opening of Green Line in 2005, when tens of thousands of Cypriots crossed without incident.

IF what you say is genuine, which is why i doubt you... then why not accept a UN army to look after both sides?

UN army is in control of the Permenant members of the secutity council. Do you really think the TCS will trust Russia and the damn frogs for their protection. Pleas pull the other one the middle one has bells on it. We don't need the Turkish armu in Cyprus, but without the gurantee there will never be peace. You will understand it eventually, in about 10 thousand years.

I fail to understand the logic in your argument.

Why does the invader require a guarantee to remain in Cyprus ! Please kindly explain.

Your thinking is warped. The question you should be asking is why do TCs wish to be guaranteed by Turkey and nobody else?
Perhaps in the past they were rather let down? could that be a reason?

[Kikapu]

Your thinking is warped. The question you should be asking is why do TCs wish to be guaranteed by Turkey and nobody else?
Perhaps in the past they were rather let down? could that be a reason?

Didn't Turkey let down the TCs from 1963-1974 by allowing them to be in enclaves when they should have fulfilled their guarantor obligations to restore the RoC government with the involvement of the TCs. No, they just looked from a distance and made few bombing runs instead, so don't preach to us that Turkey had the TCs best interest in their hearts then or now. The fact that Turkey NEVER had a mandate to ONLY secure the TCs interest in Cyprus, but rather the best interest of ALL Cypriots along with Greece and Britain, which they have ALL failed to do with flying colours I may add, stands the reason why the TCs cannot choose who they want as a guarantor for their community in a unified Cyprus, in a sovereign nation. It is the sovereign nation of unified Cyprus who will decide if they want any guarantors from anyone and not the individual communities themselves. If you have any examples where such practices takes place in other countries, feel free to show us, otherwise stop making a fool of yourself over and over again by telling us what the TCs want for the north in a unified country. If and when the TCs get their own country anywhere in the world, then they can ask Turkey to provide all the guarantees they want. Until then, the next best thing for those TCs who want Turkey to be their guarantor, is best that they move to Turkey.!

[Get Real!]

Your thinking is warped. The question you should be asking is why do TCs wish to be guaranteed by Turkey and nobody else?
Perhaps in the past they were rather let down? could that be a reason?

The question you should be asking is why do TCs want guarantees?

It’s because they know the GCs will NOT approve of the stupid things the TCs will be doing in Cyprus for Turkey!

That’s why the Turkish Cypriots can NEVER be trusted with ANY power... not even 1%!

[Byron]

from the same link:

Turkish Cypriots (TC) and Greek Cypriots(GC) still managed to live together. Fast forward 40 years to opening of Green Line in 2005, when tens of thousands of Cypriots crossed without incident.

IF what you say is genuine, which is why i doubt you... then why not accept a UN army to look after both sides?

UN army is in control of the Permenant members of the secutity council. Do you really think the TCS will trust Russia and the damn frogs for their protection. Pleas pull the other one the middle one has bells on it. We don't need the Turkish armu in Cyprus, but without the gurantee there will never be peace. You will understand it eventually, in about 10 thousand years.

I fail to understand the logic in your argument.

Why does the invader require a guarantee to remain in Cyprus ! Please kindly explain.

Your thinking is warped. The question you should be asking is why do TCs wish to be guaranteed by Turkey and nobody else?
Perhaps in the past they were rather let down? could that be a reason?

Firstly I do not understand what you mean by warped? Try writing in English and not Globish.

The TC never required guarantees in the past so why this new ploy to stall an agreement in Cyprus. The wish for a guarantee is sponsored by Turkey and not by the TC's in my opinion.

[YFred]

Your thinking is warped. The question you should be asking is why do TCs wish to be guaranteed by Turkey and nobody else?
Perhaps in the past they were rather let down? could that be a reason?

The question you should be asking is why do TCs want guarantees?

It’s because they know the GCs will NOT approve of the stupid things the TCs will be doing in Cyprus for Turkey!

That’s why the Turkish Cypriots can NEVER be trusted with ANY power... not even 1%!

Shame you undwerstand the qustion but can't quite focus on the reason. Mincing machines and hospitals come to mind? Get a life and don't be a prat all your life.

[YFred]

Your thinking is warped. The question you should be asking is why do TCs wish to be guaranteed by Turkey and nobody else?
Perhaps in the past they were rather let down? could that be a reason?

Didn't Turkey let down the TCs from 1963-1974 by allowing them to be in enclaves when they should have fulfilled their guarantor obligations to restore the RoC government with the involvement of the TCs. No, they just looked from a distance and made few bombing runs instead, so don't preach to us that Turkey had the TCs best interest in their hearts then or now. The fact that Turkey NEVER had a mandate to ONLY secure the TCs interest in Cyprus, but rather the best interest of ALL Cypriots along with Greece and Britain, which they have ALL failed to do with flying colours I may add, stands the reason why the TCs cannot choose who they want as a guarantor for their community in a unified Cyprus, in a sovereign nation. It is the sovereign nation of unified Cyprus who will decide if they want any guarantors from anyone and not the individual communities themselves. If you have any examples where such practices takes place in other countries, feel free to show us, otherwise stop making a fool of yourself over and over again by telling us what the TCs want for the north in a unified country. If and when the TCs get their own country anywhere in the world, then they can ask Turkey to provide all the guarantees they want. Until then, the next best thing for those TCs who want Turkey to be their guarantor, is best that they move to Turkey.!

Kicks baby you really have to grow up some time in your life. Restore what? it was the roc government that was doing the plotting not some external entity. How could it possibly restore the government that plotted enosis ( Akritas plan).
Put your thinking head on for once. There was only one way to protect the TCs and that was the plan that was implemented.
You didn't live it, some of us did.