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[fwnh]

you don't have to be a smartass btw, too much ego is bad for you

[YFred]

what should the 3rd option be? not care?

Why worry about something I have no control over. I woul have gone for don't give a shit on account that it does not make any difference. Good old US of A gives the orders who ever is in power, No?
Smart arse? hardly, that's DT GR and Oracle speciality and it comes with fried ego and hallumi.

[Malapapa]

what should the 3rd option be? not care?

It's simply ridiculous. The "motherland" is in the throws of a civil war that will have a huge impact on the ability of the Cyprus Turks to hang on to their lawless society, and YFred doesn't care.

[fwnh]

what should the 3rd option be? not care?

Why worry about something I have no control over. I woul have gone for don't give a shit on account that it does not make any difference. Good old US of A gives the orders who ever is in power, No?
Smart arse? hardly, that's DT GR and Oracle speciality and it comes with fried ego and hallumi.

its your view mate, stop pretending like you don't care about a subject like that or that you didn't even think about it. It's about the army losing power in state affairs and if you are in favor of that or not, it doesn't have to do with turkey's foreign policy. and you forgot tzatziki

[YFred]

what should the 3rd option be? not care?

Why worry about something I have no control over. I woul have gone for don't give a shit on account that it does not make any difference. Good old US of A gives the orders who ever is in power, No?
Smart arse? hardly, that's DT GR and Oracle speciality and it comes with fried ego and hallumi.

its your view mate, stop pretending like you don't care about a subject like that or that you didn't even think about it. It's about the army losing power in state affairs and if you are in favor of that or not, it doesn't have to do with turkey's foreign policy. and you forgot tzatziki

Which bit of "It makes no difference decisions are made in USA" do you not understand.
Do you mean Cacik?

[fwnh]

it makes a lot of difference because usa doesn't give a shit about your home affairs

[Tim Drayton]

I think a far more interesting question is why the AKP is supporting EU membership. Back when the Islamic fundamentalists in Turkey were headed by Erbakan, the position was simple. They opposed EU membership and instead wanted Turkey to realign itself with its Islamic neighbours to the east. Suddenly and pardoxically, the Islamists have become more pro-EU than the secularists. I wonder if this is:

1) because the AKP, even though all of its leading lights have their roots in political Islam, has undergone a deep ideological transformation and now heartily backs Mustafa Kemal's vision of Turkey joining the ranks of Western nations,

2) for instrumental reasons, given that the AKP can be argued to have its base among people who have become rich and powerful as a result of industrialisation in more conservative regions of Anatolia, and who are socially conservative but economically liberal and see opportunities to grow their businesses within the EU, or

3) simply a cynical ploy, either to keep the army of their backs while they gradually roll back the achievements of the Republic, as the secularists would see it, or even because they have calculated that the EU will ultimately close its doors on Turkey thus leading to a groundswell of support in favour of building closer ties with the Islamic world.

[Kikapu]

I think a far more interesting question is why the AKP is supporting EU membership. Back when the Islamic fundamentalists in Turkey were headed by Erbakan, the position was simple. They opposed EU membership and instead wanted Turkey to realign itself with its Islamic neighbours to the east. Suddenly and pardoxically, the Islamists have become more pro-EU than the secularists. I wonder if this is:

1) because the AKP, even though all of its leading lights have their roots in political Islam, has undergone a deep ideological transformation and now heartily backs Mustafa Kemal's vision of Turkey joining the ranks of Western nations,

2) for instrumental reasons, given that the AKP can be argued to have its base among people who have become rich and powerful as a result of industrialisation in more conservative regions of Anatolia, and who are socially conservative but economically liberal and see opportunities to grow their businesses within the EU, or

3) simply a cynical ploy, either to keep the army of their backs while they gradually roll back the achievements of the Republic, as the secularists would see it, or even because they have calculated that the EU will ultimately close its doors on Turkey thus leading to a groundswell of support in favour of building closer ties with the Islamic world.

or

4) It's the only way the Islamic religious political parties can survive in Turkey from the military coups by being in the EU, which will protect their freedom of religious expression, Tim.!

[Tim Drayton]

I think a far more interesting question is why the AKP is supporting EU membership. Back when the Islamic fundamentalists in Turkey were headed by Erbakan, the position was simple. They opposed EU membership and instead wanted Turkey to realign itself with its Islamic neighbours to the east. Suddenly and pardoxically, the Islamists have become more pro-EU than the secularists. I wonder if this is:

1) because the AKP, even though all of its leading lights have their roots in political Islam, has undergone a deep ideological transformation and now heartily backs Mustafa Kemal's vision of Turkey joining the ranks of Western nations,

2) for instrumental reasons, given that the AKP can be argued to have its base among people who have become rich and powerful as a result of industrialisation in more conservative regions of Anatolia, and who are socially conservative but economically liberal and see opportunities to grow their businesses within the EU, or

3) simply a cynical ploy, either to keep the army of their backs while they gradually roll back the achievements of the Republic, as the secularists would see it, or even because they have calculated that the EU will ultimately close its doors on Turkey thus leading to a groundswell of support in favour of building closer ties with the Islamic world.

or

4) It's the only way the Islamic religious political parties can survive in Turkey from the military coups by being in the EU, which will protect their freedom of religious expression, Tim.!

Sure, that's what I meant by "keeping the army off their backs". In fact, I believe that the answer is a mixture of the above three.

[YFred]

I think a far more interesting question is why the AKP is supporting EU membership. Back when the Islamic fundamentalists in Turkey were headed by Erbakan, the position was simple. They opposed EU membership and instead wanted Turkey to realign itself with its Islamic neighbours to the east. Suddenly and pardoxically, the Islamists have become more pro-EU than the secularists. I wonder if this is:

1) because the AKP, even though all of its leading lights have their roots in political Islam, has undergone a deep ideological transformation and now heartily backs Mustafa Kemal's vision of Turkey joining the ranks of Western nations,

2) for instrumental reasons, given that the AKP can be argued to have its base among people who have become rich and powerful as a result of industrialisation in more conservative regions of Anatolia, and who are socially conservative but economically liberal and see opportunities to grow their businesses within the EU, or

3) simply a cynical ploy, either to keep the army of their backs while they gradually roll back the achievements of the Republic, as the secularists would see it, or even because they have calculated that the EU will ultimately close its doors on Turkey thus leading to a groundswell of support in favour of building closer ties with the Islamic world.

or

4) It's the only way the Islamic religious political parties can survive in Turkey from the military coups by being in the EU, which will protect their freedom of religious expression, Tim.!

Sure, that's what I meant by "keeping the army off their backs". In fact, I believe that the answer is a mixture of the above three.

So USA has no say in what the turks do in Turkey?