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[BirKibrisli]

Malapapa...The fanatical GC thugs did not ask permission to torture,murder,and rape innocent TCs either...You really ought to stop this mindless and pointless attack on the soldiers...That is the nature of war...innocent people suffer...look at Iraq...look at Afganistan...shit happens..

Then why do you complain about 1963 and other years/events?

Shit came and found us UNINVITED, and then in 1963 shit happened!

I do not complain about the shit that happened in 1963...I am only putting things in perspective,to let you history-deniers know things did not happen out of the blue in July,1974...

GR! There is nothing you and I can do about the shit that happened in 1571...Harping on about that is mindless...But we can do something about the shit that happened in 1963...and 1974...That is the difference...Tell your GC mates they stuffed up big time trying to pursue their Enosis with Greece dream...They must face the realities on the ground now,and make some compromises to sign an agreement...To stop even bigger shit from happening in the future...Lets get real,GR!

You're like a mugger putting a knife to someone's throat and demanding they give up their mobile phone - or else. Only this victim has already been mugged countless times before in his life - and has vowed never, ever to let it happen again.

So now what? Do your worst. The surveillance cameras are watching.

You are not reinventing the wheel,MP...The TCs too have been robbed and mugged at gunpoint many times,that is why they want Turkey's guarantee...As I said above,convince them to forgo it,and I wiill go along with you...That knife you mentioned cuts both ways I am afraid...

[YFred]

The point is MP,an Islamic Republic on "Jihad" will not be asking you for intervention rights...They will just take it...

And Turkey's soldiers asked innocent Cypriot civilians for permission before torturing and murdering them? They asked innocent Cypriot women for permission before raping them? Do me a favour. It makes no difference to free Cypriots what type of Turkey you threaten them with.

Malapapa...The fanatical GC thugs did not ask permission to torture,murder,and rape innocent TCs either...You really ought to stop this mindless and pointless attack on the soldiers...

I will when you stop this mindless and pointless insistence on the soldiers having intervention rights in Cyprus. Should we give fanatical GC thugs intervention rights in Cyprus too? Or use the law to prevent such criminal actions in future?

That is the nature of war...innocent people suffer...look at Iraq...look at Afganistan...shit happens..It is not excusable or forgivable but it happens..Do you want to solve cyprob? Stop insulting the side you will have to negotiate with,or their army,face the realities,and get the best deal you can for your side...

If realities includes Turkey's intervention rights, I prefer not to the solve cyprob.

What you are doing is emotional wanking...Stop it or you will go BLIND... Or perhaps it is too late...You are blind already...

This is simply crass. As is your insistence that unconvicted rapists, torturers and murderers secure the safety of Cypriots. Stop it.

MP...I did not give Turkey intervention rights in Cyprus...There is a treaty of guarantee,as part of the 1960 agreements,which incidently legitimises the RoC Constitution,which gives Turkey that right...These agreements cannot be invalidated unilaterally...So if you want to stop Turkey's right of guarantee you need to come up with a new agreement and a new constitution for Cyprus...I know you got away with driving then TCs out of government,but this is different..The Turkish troops are on the ground in Cyprus...To get them out you need to make serious compromises...Intervention right is one of the TCs red lines...If you can convince them to forgo it,It will be ok with me...

You see Bir, the bash patriots on the forum are under the impression that they can declare the said agreement null and void as they please.

[BirKibrisli]

Thats assuming that there will be any Turk or Cypriot Turk left on Cyprus if Turkey follows its fated path....or for that matter a Turkey at all.......it should send shivers up your back that your future as a Turk looks dim...

The idea of an Islamic Republic of Turkey breathing down your necks from the trnc should send shivers up your spines...If you have one...

I have no future as a Turk,WC...I am an Australian of Turkish Cypriot background...I don't live in Cyprus and at this rate never will...What about you???Will you be happy with all those Jihadist Turks breathing down your neck???

[Viewpoint]

wasnt that their aim in 1963 showing that GCs have not mentally progressed in the last 47 years clearly illusyrating the dangers we face if. we should take a leap of faith the GC demand.

[BirKibrisli]

Malapapa...The fanatical GC thugs did not ask permission to torture,murder,and rape innocent TCs either...You really ought to stop this mindless and pointless attack on the soldiers...That is the nature of war...innocent people suffer...look at Iraq...look at Afganistan...shit happens..

Then why do you complain about 1963 and other years/events?

Shit came and found us UNINVITED, and then in 1963 shit happened!

I do not complain about the shit that happened in 1963...I am only putting things in perspective,to let you history-deniers know things did not happen out of the blue in July,1974...

You’re just full of shit and I keep catching you out and embarrassing you.

As you yourself so delicately put it,SHIT HAPPENS...
Do your worst! You are only embarrassing yourself I am afraid...

[BirKibrisli]

The point is MP,an Islamic Republic on "Jihad" will not be asking you for intervention rights...They will just take it...

And Turkey's soldiers asked innocent Cypriot civilians for permission before torturing and murdering them? They asked innocent Cypriot women for permission before raping them? Do me a favour. It makes no difference to free Cypriots what type of Turkey you threaten them with.

Malapapa...The fanatical GC thugs did not ask permission to torture,murder,and rape innocent TCs either...You really ought to stop this mindless and pointless attack on the soldiers...

I will when you stop this mindless and pointless insistence on the soldiers having intervention rights in Cyprus. Should we give fanatical GC thugs intervention rights in Cyprus too? Or use the law to prevent such criminal actions in future?

That is the nature of war...innocent people suffer...look at Iraq...look at Afganistan...shit happens..It is not excusable or forgivable but it happens..Do you want to solve cyprob? Stop insulting the side you will have to negotiate with,or their army,face the realities,and get the best deal you can for your side...

If realities includes Turkey's intervention rights, I prefer not to the solve cyprob.

What you are doing is emotional wanking...Stop it or you will go BLIND... Or perhaps it is too late...You are blind already...

This is simply crass. As is your insistence that unconvicted rapists, torturers and murderers secure the safety of Cypriots. Stop it.

MP...I did not give Turkey intervention rights in Cyprus...There is a treaty of guarantee,as part of the 1960 agreements,which incidently legitimises the RoC Constitution,which gives Turkey that right...These agreements cannot be invalidated unilaterally...So if you want to stop Turkey's right of guarantee you need to come up with a new agreement and a new constitution for Cyprus...I know you got away with driving then TCs out of government,but this is different..The Turkish troops are on the ground in Cyprus...To get them out you need to make serious compromises...Intervention right is one of the TCs red lines...If you can convince them to forgo it,It will be ok with me...

You see Bir, the bash patriots on the forum are under the impression that they can declare the said agreement null and void as they please.

Hypocrites!!! When it suits them International law,democracy and human rights etc are all the go...When it doesn't they think they can invalidate it at will...

[Viewpoint]

GR you are the one with shit on your face Bir is the one who shows you up for the lack of knowledge you display in all your posts.

[Malapapa]

MP...I did not give Turkey intervention rights in Cyprus...

Nor did I. These rights were forced on us, before I was born.

There is a treaty of guarantee,as part of the 1960 agreements,which incidently legitimises the RoC Constitution,which gives Turkey that right...These agreements cannot be invalidated unilaterally...

All three have invalidated their guarantor rights by their (in)actions of 1974, guarantor rights which were imposed on Cypriots.

So if you want to stop Turkey's right of guarantee you need to come up with a new agreement and a new constitution for Cyprus...I know you got away with driving then TCs out of government,but this is different..

I wasn't even alive.

The Turkish troops are on the ground in Cyprus...To get them out you need to make serious compromises...

Sorry no compromises. They are in Cyprus illegally. Only legal means can be used to remove them.

Intervention right is one of the TCs red lines...If you can convince them to forgo it,It will be ok with me...

I don't want to convince them. Turkey's army occupies part of Cyprus illegally and keeps TCs 'safe' in their illegal regime. They can rot there if they insist on Turkey's continued intervention rights.

Free Cypriots will ensure Turkey can't occupy any more of their island.

[Viewpoint]

malas mentality is reconfirmation of the GC stance we were forced into it so now we want to reneg without your permission totalbullshit
they also want to make usbelieve that guarantorship expires how stupid can these people get.

[Malapapa]

You are not reinventing the wheel,MP...The TCs too have been robbed and mugged at gunpoint many times,

Many times? You haven't been born. The TCs had a decade or two of suffering. Try a few millennia of it.

that is why they want Turkey's guarantee...As I said above,convince them to forgo it,and I wiill go along with you...

I'm not convinced TCs can be. I think the majority are beyond redemption. The rest can move south and live as free Cypriots.

That knife you mentioned cuts both ways I am afraid...

Yes but I'm not insisting the security of Cyprus is guaranteed by GC thugs.