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[Get Real!]

Malapapa...The fanatical GC thugs did not ask permission to torture,murder,and rape innocent TCs either...You really ought to stop this mindless and pointless attack on the soldiers...That is the nature of war...innocent people suffer...look at Iraq...look at Afganistan...shit happens..

Then why do you complain about 1963 and other years/events?

Shit came and found us UNINVITED, and then in 1963 shit happened!

[BirKibrisli]

Malapapa...The fanatical GC thugs did not ask permission to torture,murder,and rape innocent TCs either...You really ought to stop this mindless and pointless attack on the soldiers...That is the nature of war...innocent people suffer...look at Iraq...look at Afganistan...shit happens..

Then why do you complain about 1963 and other years/events?

Shit came and found us UNINVITED, and then in 1963 shit happened!

I do not complain about the shit that happened in 1963...I am only putting things in perspective,to let you history-deniers know things did not happen out of the blue in July,1974...

GR! There is nothing you and I can do about the shit that happened in 1571...Harping on about that is mindless...But we can do something about the shit that happened in 1963...and 1974...That is the difference...Tell your GC mates they stuffed up big time trying to pursue their Enosis with Greece dream...They must face the realities on the ground now,and make some compromises to sign an agreement...To stop even bigger shit from happening in the future...Lets get real,GR!

[Malapapa]

The point is MP,an Islamic Republic on "Jihad" will not be asking you for intervention rights...They will just take it...

And Turkey's soldiers asked innocent Cypriot civilians for permission before torturing and murdering them? They asked innocent Cypriot women for permission before raping them? Do me a favour. It makes no difference to free Cypriots what type of Turkey you threaten them with.

Malapapa...The fanatical GC thugs did not ask permission to torture,murder,and rape innocent TCs either...You really ought to stop this mindless and pointless attack on the soldiers...

I will when you stop this mindless and pointless insistence on the soldiers having intervention rights in Cyprus. Should we give fanatical GC thugs intervention rights in Cyprus too? Or use the law to prevent such criminal actions in future?

That is the nature of war...innocent people suffer...look at Iraq...look at Afganistan...shit happens..It is not excusable or forgivable but it happens..Do you want to solve cyprob? Stop insulting the side you will have to negotiate with,or their army,face the realities,and get the best deal you can for your side...

If realities includes Turkey's intervention rights, I prefer not to the solve cyprob.

What you are doing is emotional wanking...Stop it or you will go BLIND... Or perhaps it is too late...You are blind already...

This is simply crass. As is your insistence that unconvicted rapists, torturers and murderers secure the safety of Cypriots. Stop it.

[Malapapa]

Malapapa...The fanatical GC thugs did not ask permission to torture,murder,and rape innocent TCs either...You really ought to stop this mindless and pointless attack on the soldiers...That is the nature of war...innocent people suffer...look at Iraq...look at Afganistan...shit happens..

Then why do you complain about 1963 and other years/events?

Shit came and found us UNINVITED, and then in 1963 shit happened!

I do not complain about the shit that happened in 1963...I am only putting things in perspective,to let you history-deniers know things did not happen out of the blue in July,1974...

GR! There is nothing you and I can do about the shit that happened in 1571...Harping on about that is mindless...But we can do something about the shit that happened in 1963...and 1974...That is the difference...Tell your GC mates they stuffed up big time trying to pursue their Enosis with Greece dream...They must face the realities on the ground now,and make some compromises to sign an agreement...To stop even bigger shit from happening in the future...Lets get real,GR!

You're like a mugger putting a knife to someone's throat and demanding they give up their mobile phone - or else. Only this victim has already been mugged countless times before in his life - and has vowed never, ever to let it happen again.

So now what? Do your worst. The surveillance cameras are watching.

[wyoming cowboy]

Including the order to invade and occupy Cyprus....

I think a far more interesting question is why the AKP is supporting EU membership. Back when the Islamic fundamentalists in Turkey were headed by Erbakan, the position was simple. They opposed EU membership and instead wanted Turkey to realign itself with its Islamic neighbours to the east. Suddenly and pardoxically, the Islamists have become more pro-EU than the secularists. I wonder if this is:

1) because the AKP, even though all of its leading lights have their roots in political Islam, has undergone a deep ideological transformation and now heartily backs Mustafa Kemal's vision of Turkey joining the ranks of Western nations,

2) for instrumental reasons, given that the AKP can be argued to have its base among people who have become rich and powerful as a result of industrialisation in more conservative regions of Anatolia, and who are socially conservative but economically liberal and see opportunities to grow their businesses within the EU, or

3) simply a cynical ploy, either to keep the army of their backs while they gradually roll back the achievements of the Republic, as the secularists would see it, or even because they have calculated that the EU will ultimately close its doors on Turkey thus leading to a groundswell of support in favour of building closer ties with the Islamic world.

or

4) It's the only way the Islamic religious political parties can survive in Turkey from the military coups by being in the EU, which will protect their freedom of religious expression, Tim.!

Sure, that's what I meant by "keeping the army off their backs". In fact, I believe that the answer is a mixture of the above three.

So USA has no say in what the turks do in Turkey?

Sure. If it were not for the US there would have been a coup by now.

No Tim. I wish it was as simple as that, but it is not. There are the hawks in US who instigated the coup and there those who prevented it. Both orders came from the USA.

[wyoming cowboy]

Including the order to invade and occupy Cyprus....

I think a far more interesting question is why the AKP is supporting EU membership. Back when the Islamic fundamentalists in Turkey were headed by Erbakan, the position was simple. They opposed EU membership and instead wanted Turkey to realign itself with its Islamic neighbours to the east. Suddenly and pardoxically, the Islamists have become more pro-EU than the secularists. I wonder if this is:

1) because the AKP, even though all of its leading lights have their roots in political Islam, has undergone a deep ideological transformation and now heartily backs Mustafa Kemal's vision of Turkey joining the ranks of Western nations,

2) for instrumental reasons, given that the AKP can be argued to have its base among people who have become rich and powerful as a result of industrialisation in more conservative regions of Anatolia, and who are socially conservative but economically liberal and see opportunities to grow their businesses within the EU, or

3) simply a cynical ploy, either to keep the army of their backs while they gradually roll back the achievements of the Republic, as the secularists would see it, or even because they have calculated that the EU will ultimately close its doors on Turkey thus leading to a groundswell of support in favour of building closer ties with the Islamic world.

or

4) It's the only way the Islamic religious political parties can survive in Turkey from the military coups by being in the EU, which will protect their freedom of religious expression, Tim.!

Sure, that's what I meant by "keeping the army off their backs". In fact, I believe that the answer is a mixture of the above three.

So USA has no say in what the turks do in Turkey?

Sure. If it were not for the US there would have been a coup by now.

No Tim. I wish it was as simple as that, but it is not. There are the hawks in US who instigated the coup and there those who prevented it. Both orders came from the USA.

[wyoming cowboy]

Thats assuming that there will be any Turk or Cypriot Turk left on Cyprus if Turkey follows its fated path....or for that matter a Turkey at all.......it should send shivers up your back that your future as a Turk looks dim...

The idea of an Islamic Republic of Turkey breathing down your necks from the trnc should send shivers up your spines...If you have one...

[Get Real!]

Malapapa...The fanatical GC thugs did not ask permission to torture,murder,and rape innocent TCs either...You really ought to stop this mindless and pointless attack on the soldiers...That is the nature of war...innocent people suffer...look at Iraq...look at Afganistan...shit happens..

Then why do you complain about 1963 and other years/events?

Shit came and found us UNINVITED, and then in 1963 shit happened!

I do not complain about the shit that happened in 1963...I am only putting things in perspective,to let you history-deniers know things did not happen out of the blue in July,1974...

You’re just full of shit and I keep catching you out and embarrassing you.

[YFred]

Including the order to invade and occupy Cyprus....

I think a far more interesting question is why the AKP is supporting EU membership. Back when the Islamic fundamentalists in Turkey were headed by Erbakan, the position was simple. They opposed EU membership and instead wanted Turkey to realign itself with its Islamic neighbours to the east. Suddenly and pardoxically, the Islamists have become more pro-EU than the secularists. I wonder if this is:

1) because the AKP, even though all of its leading lights have their roots in political Islam, has undergone a deep ideological transformation and now heartily backs Mustafa Kemal's vision of Turkey joining the ranks of Western nations,

2) for instrumental reasons, given that the AKP can be argued to have its base among people who have become rich and powerful as a result of industrialisation in more conservative regions of Anatolia, and who are socially conservative but economically liberal and see opportunities to grow their businesses within the EU, or

3) simply a cynical ploy, either to keep the army of their backs while they gradually roll back the achievements of the Republic, as the secularists would see it, or even because they have calculated that the EU will ultimately close its doors on Turkey thus leading to a groundswell of support in favour of building closer ties with the Islamic world.

or

4) It's the only way the Islamic religious political parties can survive in Turkey from the military coups by being in the EU, which will protect their freedom of religious expression, Tim.!

Sure, that's what I meant by "keeping the army off their backs". In fact, I believe that the answer is a mixture of the above three.

So USA has no say in what the turks do in Turkey?

Sure. If it were not for the US there would have been a coup by now.

No Tim. I wish it was as simple as that, but it is not. There are the hawks in US who instigated the coup and there those who prevented it. Both orders came from the USA.

They told them tp be prepared for the coup, what more do you need to get the go ahead. Please wake up. You can't be asleep forever.

[BirKibrisli]

The point is MP,an Islamic Republic on "Jihad" will not be asking you for intervention rights...They will just take it...

And Turkey's soldiers asked innocent Cypriot civilians for permission before torturing and murdering them? They asked innocent Cypriot women for permission before raping them? Do me a favour. It makes no difference to free Cypriots what type of Turkey you threaten them with.

Malapapa...The fanatical GC thugs did not ask permission to torture,murder,and rape innocent TCs either...You really ought to stop this mindless and pointless attack on the soldiers...

I will when you stop this mindless and pointless insistence on the soldiers having intervention rights in Cyprus. Should we give fanatical GC thugs intervention rights in Cyprus too? Or use the law to prevent such criminal actions in future?

That is the nature of war...innocent people suffer...look at Iraq...look at Afganistan...shit happens..It is not excusable or forgivable but it happens..Do you want to solve cyprob? Stop insulting the side you will have to negotiate with,or their army,face the realities,and get the best deal you can for your side...

If realities includes Turkey's intervention rights, I prefer not to the solve cyprob.

What you are doing is emotional wanking...Stop it or you will go BLIND... Or perhaps it is too late...You are blind already...

This is simply crass. As is your insistence that unconvicted rapists, torturers and murderers secure the safety of Cypriots. Stop it.

MP...I did not give Turkey intervention rights in Cyprus...There is a treaty of guarantee,as part of the 1960 agreements,which incidently legitimises the RoC Constitution,which gives Turkey that right...These agreements cannot be invalidated unilaterally...So if you want to stop Turkey's right of guarantee you need to come up with a new agreement and a new constitution for Cyprus...I know you got away with driving then TCs out of government,but this is different..The Turkish troops are on the ground in Cyprus...To get them out you need to make serious compromises...Intervention right is one of the TCs red lines...If you can convince them to forgo it,It will be ok with me...