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Turkish civil war: whose side are Cyprus Turks on?

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Turkish civil war: whose side are Cyprus Turks on?

Guardian of the "TRNC" - Turkish military
14
70%
Pro democracy/reform/EU - AKP government
6
30%
 
Total votes : 20

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:34 pm

YFred wrote:
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BirKibrisli wrote:The idea of an Islamic Republic of Turkey breathing down your necks from the trnc should send shivers up your spines...If you have one... :twisted:

Islamic Republic of Turkey god forbid will never happen. Our god "America" will not allow it. Although if it does happen not even their Theos will be able to help them.


I am not so sure if I agree with you there. America seems to have a project of replacing secularism with what it perceives to be 'moderate Islamism' in Turkey, in the belief that Turkey can then serve as a role model for the rest of the Middle East. They are incapable of understanding that the difference between 'moderate' and 'radical' political Islam is tactical rather than one of substance. To America, Erdoğan and his crew are the goodies. Even so, I agree that it is hard to perceive of Turkey becoming an Islamic Republic.

We will have to disagree for once old cove, what? I can't believe that America would allow Turkey to go down the Iran route. One big difference also is that 75% the population in Iran was like GR, unable to read and write.


The problem is that America thinks that Erdoğan and his buddies are nice 'moderates' who deserve support. They are making a huge mistake. Even so, a hell of a lot of people in Turkey support secularism so I doubt if a fully blown Islamic Republic will ever be on the cards.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Fri Mar 05, 2010 4:41 pm

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BirKibrisli wrote:The idea of an Islamic Republic of Turkey breathing down your necks from the trnc should send shivers up your spines...If you have one... :twisted:

Islamic Republic of Turkey god forbid will never happen. Our god "America" will not allow it. Although if it does happen not even their Theos will be able to help them.


I think there is a good chance our God,America,will create a monster,a bit like the Frankenschtein's...Nothing to look forward to,Yfred...But we might at least have some compensation (4 wives in this world,73 virgins in the next world)... :wink: :lol:
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Postby BirKibrisli » Fri Mar 05, 2010 4:46 pm

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BirKibrisli wrote:The idea of an Islamic Republic of Turkey breathing down your necks from the trnc should send shivers up your spines...If you have one... :twisted:

The funny thing is 30,000 british living in the south probally better security than a bunch of armenian killers.


There are no Armenian killers left alive,apc...But plenty of fanatical GC and TC killers still walking around in Cyprus with immunity...You should be ashamed to open your mouth... :twisted:
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Postby BirKibrisli » Fri Mar 05, 2010 4:49 pm

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BirKibrisli wrote:The idea of an Islamic Republic of Turkey breathing down your necks from the trnc should send shivers up your spines...If you have one... :twisted:


More so than the murdering, raping, pillaging army of the secular Republic of Turkey? Why?

Please specify a single army in the world that is not guilty of that and you can begin with your new found friends "Americans" in Iraq.


You miss the point. Why should Cypriots fear an Islam Republic more than secular murderers and rapists in uniform?

I am afraid you missed the point. All armies do it including GC and TC nevermind Greek and Turk.
Wake up.


So? Why should we fear the Islamic Republic of Turkey any more because of this?


Because Islamic Republics might decide a little "Jihad" is what is needed to keep certain infidels in line...That's why... :(
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Postby BirKibrisli » Fri Mar 05, 2010 5:05 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
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BirKibrisli wrote:The idea of an Islamic Republic of Turkey breathing down your necks from the trnc should send shivers up your spines...If you have one... :twisted:

Islamic Republic of Turkey god forbid will never happen. Our god "America" will not allow it. Although if it does happen not even their Theos will be able to help them.


I am not so sure if I agree with you there. America seems to have a project of replacing secularism with what it perceives to be 'moderate Islamism' in Turkey, in the belief that Turkey can then serve as a role model for the rest of the Middle East. They are incapable of understanding that the difference between 'moderate' and 'radical' political Islam is tactical rather than one of substance. To America, Erdoğan and his crew are the goodies. Even so, I agree that it is hard to perceive of Turkey becoming an Islamic Republic.


You are right,Tim...And this might be yet another short-sighted,lunatic American experiment gone terribly wrong...I would've said it is hard to percieve Turkey as an Islamic Republic once,but not any more...The similarities with Iran of the islamisation process are uncanny...They had Ayatollah Humeyni living in exile in France,Turkey has Fethullah Gulen living in America...They fooled the liberal left with the same democracy and human right arguments as is the case in Turkey...The only secular side of the Turkish Army are the high ranking officers...The average Turkish soldier will not fire on people coming at them with the Quran in one hand and a sword in the other...Things do not look good at all to me at least... :(
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Postby YFred » Fri Mar 05, 2010 5:14 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
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BirKibrisli wrote:The idea of an Islamic Republic of Turkey breathing down your necks from the trnc should send shivers up your spines...If you have one... :twisted:

Islamic Republic of Turkey god forbid will never happen. Our god "America" will not allow it. Although if it does happen not even their Theos will be able to help them.


I think there is a good chance our God,America,will create a monster,a bit like the Frankenschtein's...Nothing to look forward to,Yfred...But we might at least have some compensation (4 wives in this world,73 virgins in the next world)... :wink: :lol:

I agree with what you say America does, I have never agreed with them. I just say it how it is. But you are wrong about 4 wives, it's 7 and 73 virgins, only 72. :wink: :wink:
But don't worry, if you need any help I am always available for advice you understand.
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Postby Malapapa » Fri Mar 05, 2010 5:57 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
Malapapa wrote:
YFred wrote:
Malapapa wrote:
YFred wrote:
Malapapa wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:The idea of an Islamic Republic of Turkey breathing down your necks from the trnc should send shivers up your spines...If you have one... :twisted:


More so than the murdering, raping, pillaging army of the secular Republic of Turkey? Why?

Please specify a single army in the world that is not guilty of that and you can begin with your new found friends "Americans" in Iraq.


You miss the point. Why should Cypriots fear an Islam Republic more than secular murderers and rapists in uniform?

I am afraid you missed the point. All armies do it including GC and TC nevermind Greek and Turk.
Wake up.


So? Why should we fear the Islamic Republic of Turkey any more because of this?


Because Islamic Republics might decide a little "Jihad" is what is needed to keep certain infidels in line...That's why... :(


Islamic or secular, jihad or murder/rape, Cypriots have good reason to fear either type of Turkey, and will grant intervention rights to neither.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:46 am

Malapapa wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Malapapa wrote:
YFred wrote:
Malapapa wrote:
YFred wrote:
Malapapa wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:The idea of an Islamic Republic of Turkey breathing down your necks from the trnc should send shivers up your spines...If you have one... :twisted:


More so than the murdering, raping, pillaging army of the secular Republic of Turkey? Why?

Please specify a single army in the world that is not guilty of that and you can begin with your new found friends "Americans" in Iraq.


You miss the point. Why should Cypriots fear an Islam Republic more than secular murderers and rapists in uniform?

I am afraid you missed the point. All armies do it including GC and TC nevermind Greek and Turk.
Wake up.


So? Why should we fear the Islamic Republic of Turkey any more because of this?


Because Islamic Republics might decide a little "Jihad" is what is needed to keep certain infidels in line...That's why... :(


Islamic or secular, jihad or murder/rape, Cypriots have good reason to fear either type of Turkey, and will grant intervention rights to neither.


The point is MP,an Islamic Republic on "Jihad" will not be asking you for intervention rights...They will just take it... :!:
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Postby Malapapa » Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:30 am

BirKibrisli wrote:The point is MP,an Islamic Republic on "Jihad" will not be asking you for intervention rights...They will just take it... :!:


And Turkey's soldiers asked innocent Cypriot civilians for permission before torturing and murdering them? They asked innocent Cypriot women for permission before raping them? Do me a favour. It makes no difference to free Cypriots what type of Turkey you threaten them with.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sat Mar 06, 2010 3:24 am

Malapapa wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:The point is MP,an Islamic Republic on "Jihad" will not be asking you for intervention rights...They will just take it... :!:


And Turkey's soldiers asked innocent Cypriot civilians for permission before torturing and murdering them? They asked innocent Cypriot women for permission before raping them? Do me a favour. It makes no difference to free Cypriots what type of Turkey you threaten them with.


Malapapa...The fanatical GC thugs did not ask permission to torture,murder,and rape innocent TCs either...You really ought to stop this mindless and pointless attack on the soldiers...That is the nature of war...innocent people suffer...look at Iraq...look at Afganistan...shit happens..It is not excusable or forgivable but it happens..Do you want to solve cyprob? Stop insulting the side you will have to negotiate with,or their army,face the realities,and get the best deal you can for your side...
What you are doing is emotional wanking...Stop it or you will go BLIND... Or perhaps it is too late...You are blind already... :)
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