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[YFred]

WE DO NOT NEED GUARANTORS

Don't worry,you don't have to have them. We are not forcing you to have them. Get who ever you want. But please don't start telling us who we can hav and who we cannot. We an make our own minds on the matter.
You see, I am not that unreasonable, am I?

keyword = WE.... as in me and you

if i was expecting you to post someone else's thoughts i would not be posting in the first place, its your opinion i wanna hear... so far your only argument on the subject is that you fear for your safety, and i tell you that you do not have to fear for X amount of reasons....

OK lets have a go from a different angle shall we. You can have any guarantor you want mainly EU. However when you start telling me what I should have, that's when things fall appart. There is no we and has not been whilst the GCs been suffocating and still are suffocating the TCs with love. Let's get to the stage where we can stand on our own two feet and then we can start negotiating about guarantors and such like. In the mean time we have far more urgent matters to consider like how we are going to feed our families. But before you start saying that Turkey feeds us just consider the people who are not part of the civil service which get no handouts from anybody.

but i don't want a guarantor, ANY guarantor!! i wanna be a free man that can cast its vote freely without anyone interfering or dictating my elected officials what to do

You an have that too. You can have what ever you wish. Why can't you afford me the same thoughts, as a free person. Surely that is what real freedom is about, isn't it?

[fwnh]

no its not because you are not asking for a guarantor on your community but on the Federation which includes all of us

[fwnh]

if only i could have what ever i wish

[YFred]

no its not because you are not asking for a guarantor on your community but on the Federation which includes all of us

Only if you wish to, if you would like something else you can have too, but if you start dictating what happens to the northern federation it than ceases to be a federation and becomes non-federation. What is the point of having a federation if the southern federation dictates to the northern one?
Defeats the object of having a federation!

[fwnh]

what?! i'm not dictating to you... i'm just saying i don't want it for myself or for the central goverment!

[fwnh]

and what you are reffering to as northern and southern federations is called a confederation... not what we wanted to negotiate on, and not what our goverment or yours are negotiating on

[YFred]

and what you are reffering to as northern and southern federations is called a confederation... not what we wanted to negotiate on, and not what our goverment or yours are negotiating on

You can call it anthing you want. If you are going to control it, it isn't much of a federation of any kind, is it?

[YFred]

what?! i'm not dictating to you... i'm just saying i don't want it for myself or for the central goverment!

Tha is just fine. It is the northern federation that will have it. The southern and the cntral government can do what it likes, so long as it does not attempt to tell us what to do. We know what to do.

[fwnh]

this is leading nowhere... you don't want to accept that you do not want a solution (you & VP not the TC's) and you're using a sensitive matter (safety) to pretend you are victims. Just be honest... this is what i'm trying to get out of you, VP has came forward why don't you?

[YFred]

:) this is leading nowhere... you don't want to accept that you do not want a solution (you & VP not the TC's) and you're using a sensitive matter (safety) to pretend you are victims. Just be honest... this is what i'm trying to get out of you, VP has came forward why don't you?

You know the answer. I was there when they were shooting at us. You do not forget such things. There is nothing you can say to 99% of TCs about the matter. Think about other things to ask for.
I will reduce it to to basic, what you are saying to me is "If I start kicking the shit out you, I don't want your bg rother to come to your aid"b but you can have that crippled guy over there, yeh right. The real question is why? what is your future intenion. If you guys had any sense, you would forget about this and show the TCs that it is not required. But while "The only good turk is a dead turk" is the moto of the GC NG, you have one hell of a problem in the southern federation. I would see to that first before contemplating negotiating on such matters.