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Re: If no solution is found... what's next?

Postby Byron » Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:13 pm

YFred wrote:
Byron wrote:
londoner wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
londoner wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
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georgios100 wrote:In case the current negotiations fail to produce a solution, what's to happen next?

Is this good news or bad news?

Any predictions for the future of the island?

Georgios100


If negotiations fail and the TRNC starts to gain recognition from other countries is that good news or bad news?

Its impossible news. :lol:


Impossible how so? Do you trust the USA that much!

Nope, but I trust international law locking countries into place… it’s a bit like rust, once you get locked in there’s no getting out! :wink:

And not to mention that you don’t even have the SLIGHTEST incentive to entice the few UN renegades! :lol:

You’ve got better chances playing Lotto… 8)



I think the odds are better than the lotto. Bangladesh broke off from Pakistan but gained recognition. Kosovo's UDI was rejected by ROC but has gained recognition. Paraguay, Azebaijan and Gambia have recently announced their wilingness to formally recognise the TRNC. So never say never - solution is the best possible outcome and recognition would be a disaster but that's where we are heading


But no EU state is prepared to recognise TRNC.

Rome was not built in a day nor was Istanbul. Give it time, not long left now.


We have all the time in the world !! ie. JAMAIS !!!
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Postby BirKibrisli » Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:31 pm

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BirKibrisli wrote:If things were that simple,the problem would have been solved long time ago,Georgio...There have been too many heads in the sand for too long...It is all right to say we are all Cypriots now,but no one is taking the blame for wanting to be Greeks back in the 50s and 60s and 70s...No one was saying we are all Cypriots when the TCs were forced out of government and in to enclaves back in 1963...The GC side of the Cypriot equation has been living in another planet for too long... They thought that because they were in the majority they could force anything on the Tcs and the TCs would have to like it or lump it...There is little appreciation or acceptance of that on this forum,and I dare say in the real world as well...Crying foul and blaming everything on Turkey's "expansionist aims" might make some people feel good,but it is doing nothing to solve the problem...There has to be a collective "mea culpa" from the GC side,followed by a realistic appraisal of the present situation...Some loudmouth in this thread wants to know what compromises the TC side are making...They will be making the ultimate compromise according to most TCs...The GCs wanted Enosis with Greece and we ended up being one step away from Enosis with Turkey...That is what the TCs will give up to return to (for most of them) an uncertain future to live with the GCs in a federation, the same people who showed so little regard for the TC sensitivities and wishes in living memory...I see very little appreciation and acceptance of the realities of the past and the present...Hence I see little hope for a comprehensive solution in the horizon...We have not learnt our lessons from history,so we are condemned to repeat them...That is what really worries me... :(


Things are not simple but not that complicated either. Your reply contains another reason as to why we are so far away... you went back 30-40 years... it's this history trip that gets in the way. What's done is done. We can only look forward now. Take for example Australia or Canada. These two countries had their problems in the past but have put them aside for the sake of progress. You cannot worry about the cents and forget about the dollars!

When I said you must behave like Cypriots instead of Turks, means a lot. GCs, see you as Turks more than Cypriots. Turks are our enemy, not Cypriots. You must distance yourselves from Turkey and start to think like Europeans. Furthermore, you must take action and prove you can become Europeans. Get your politicians to form a by-partisan committee to negotiate with us - not Talat by himself. In this manner, you may have more "independence" from Turkey, more self-determination I might say.
This committee must take bold steps and show compliance to the UN resolutions so the rest of the nations can take you seriously. I believe this is the way to proceed. This is the way to become LEGAL. For 36 years, your "state" is illegal and shall stay illegal till you decide to change that. We can not change that for you. You gotta do it yourselves.

Georgios100


It is too late,Georgio...I wish it could be done...That is...for the TCs to behave more like Cypriots than Turks...It is 36 years too late...The TCs have been surviving with he grace of Turkey for all that time,and whatever Turkey's real motivation might be,that is the reality facing us today...You don't want to look back and see why we are where we are today...That is totally unrealistic...You need to realise why the TCs are in the predicament they are in today..And you can't do that by looking at a coffee cup...
The TCs were put in a position where they became the despised "other" inhabitants of Cyprus,simply because they refused to accept their country gifted to Greece on a plate...You need to digest this fact,vomit it out,and digest it again,in order to understand the reality of the situation...There is no easy way out...The Tcs cannot kick turkey in the guts now,EU or no EU...The key to understanding that lies in the past...You refuse to consider it and there will be no joint future,and no nation of Cypriots...You will be GCs forever and we will become Turks forever...Some people think we already are... :!: :!:


Even BirKibrisli" understand the difference of progress in Cyprus. They are Turks but we are just G/cs!!!

They have an Ethnicity. we just remain with a citizemship.Some more years ahead and it will not be necessary for any solution in Cyprus. They/We, preparing the solution every day, step by step.It would be much easier for a Cypriot to be under the unnbrella of the new Ottoman empire than for a Greek. Reasons are obvious but our dna continue the same route-we understand the damage when the disaster is came.not earlier.


I have no idea what you are trying to say here,Epsilon...
But I don't want people to think you and I could possibly think alike on anything relating to Cyprus...I was simply trying to point out what would inevitably happen if the GCs refuse to look back beyond 1974...I hate to think I might have given you any comfort... :arrow:
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Postby Me Ed » Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:36 pm

The "TRNC" will never get recognition because of wether you believe the invasion was legitimate or not, no sovereign country would like a presendent set where a country/state can be created or annexed by displacing its legal citizens what ever the justification.

As for Kosovo, the majority of countries do not recognise its independence. I would of course not expect the TCs to understand this because they have major issues with the concept of majorities and minorites, but Kosovo is a completely different from the "TRNC" because its creation did not involve the mass displacement of people.

The best the TCs can hope for is a solution.
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Postby Gasman » Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:04 pm

Here's what theage.com.au said about it today (if the talks fail)
Split likely if Cyprus talks fail
NICOSIA
January 26, 2010

Cyprus could become another Czechoslovakia, splitting into two separate states, unless Britain and its international partners move to prevent the collapse of crucial reunification talks, officials in Turkish northern Cyprus have warned.

With the negotiations, which began in 2008, resuming yesterday, fears are growing that dialogue between the Turkish Cypriot leader, Mehmet Talat, and Demetris Christofias, the Greek Cypriot leader, is on the brink of failure.

Turkish Cypriots are pessimistic about talks, with 85 per cent believing reunification is beyond reach, a recent poll revealed.
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Postby YFred » Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:13 pm

Me Ed wrote:The "TRNC" will never get recognition because of wether you believe the invasion was legitimate or not, no sovereign country would like a presendent set where a country/state can be created or annexed by displacing its legal citizens what ever the justification.

As for Kosovo, the majority of countries do not recognise its independence. I would of course not expect the TCs to understand this because they have major issues with the concept of majorities and minorites, but Kosovo is a completely different from the "TRNC" because its creation did not involve the mass displacement of people.

The best the TCs can hope for is a solution.

Never say never my friend. I think that was an accepted wisdom today!
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Postby Me Ed » Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:16 pm

Gasman wrote:Here's what theage.com.au said about it today (if the talks fail)
Split likely if Cyprus talks fail
NICOSIA
January 26, 2010

Cyprus could become another Czechoslovakia, splitting into two separate states, unless Britain and its international partners move to prevent the collapse of crucial reunification talks, officials in Turkish northern Cyprus have warned.

With the negotiations, which began in 2008, resuming yesterday, fears are growing that dialogue between the Turkish Cypriot leader, Mehmet Talat, and Demetris Christofias, the Greek Cypriot leader, is on the brink of failure.

Turkish Cypriots are pessimistic about talks, with 85 per cent believing reunification is beyond reach, a recent poll revealed.

Another commentry from a publication that does not understand the cyprob - the splitting of Czechoslovakia was not a result of people being displaced.

There will be no unification without a solution and there will be no partition ......... without a solution.

The best the Cypriots will get if the talks collapse is the status quo ... until the next round of talks.
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Postby Gasman » Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:43 pm

The article did not mention WHY Czechoslovakia split into two separate states or make comparisons. Just said that Cyprus could become the same - two separate states.

And I am not responsible for what other countries print in their news about Cyprus. But it is obvious from a quick google that quite a lot of other countries are saying stuff along the same lines.

Cypriots seem to imagine the rest of the world should be interested. Then, when there is any mention of the problem (unless it is condemning Turkey which it isn't very often) they just dismiss it!
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Postby GeorgeV97qaue » Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:27 pm

Gasman wrote:The article did not mention WHY Czechoslovakia split into two separate states or make comparisons. Just said that Cyprus could become the same - two separate states.

And I am not responsible for what other countries print in their news about Cyprus. But it is obvious from a quick google that quite a lot of other countries are saying stuff along the same lines.

Cypriots seem to imagine the rest of the world should be interested. Then, when there is any mention of the problem (unless it is condemning Turkey which it isn't very often) they just dismiss it!


Czechoslavakia is completly different to the situation in Cyrpus. Why bother posting crap like this when it has no relevance.

Cyprus has been invaded by Turkey 200,000 people have been force to quit their home by the rasist TC's and Turks.

If you cant understand the differnce then you are an idiot. Do you believe by posting shit like thats its going to make the rest of the world change its mind about the puppet state you have created.
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Postby Me Ed » Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:37 pm

Gasman wrote:The article did not mention WHY Czechoslovakia split into two separate states or make comparisons. Just said that Cyprus could become the same - two separate states.

And I am not responsible for what other countries print in their news about Cyprus. But it is obvious from a quick google that quite a lot of other countries are saying stuff along the same lines.

Cypriots seem to imagine the rest of the world should be interested. Then, when there is any mention of the problem (unless it is condemning Turkey which it isn't very often) they just dismiss it!

The UN, i.e. its member countries passed resolutions against Turkey which Turkey does not care about and ignores.

As far as the Cyprus is concerned, like Turkey, the RoC will also choose to ignore what citizens of other countries print in regards to a solution, although it does not mean it represents the actual policy of these countries as far as Cyprus is concerned.
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Postby londoner » Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:54 pm

(/quote) Cyprus has been invaded by Turkey 200,000 people have been force to quit their home by the rasist TC's and Turks.

If you cant understand the differnce then you are an idiot. Do you believe by posting shit like thats its going to make the rest of the world change its mind about the puppet state you have created.[/quote]

Correct me if I am wrong but was it not the case that under the auspices of the UN in Geneva on August 2 1975 both sided agreed to an exchange of populations supervised by the UN under the Exchange of Population Agreement. So the ROC contributed to the establishment of the puppet state

Additionally people started fleeing their homes and lands in the 1950's when the process of division of GC and TC began
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