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[boulio]

vp wrote:

You are trying to flog faulty goods in the shape of minority rights in a gc state run by gcs.

are you speaking to me because i thought we were talking about security and now you jump to g/c state and minorties?

[aussieturk]

No more dumb turks, there are enough of you already.

Takes one dumb fuck to know another

That's right.....the whole fucking world is on to you dumb fucks! The only ones that are not getting it is the dumb turks. That's number 4 turk on this forum who can't answer a simple question. Or can you? Here we go again......what did the TC's and turks compromise up untill now?

I will answer your stupid question - NOTHING, as there is no need to


And FFS, no more abuse

[BirKibrisli]

If things were that simple,the problem would have been solved long time ago,Georgio...There have been too many heads in the sand for too long...It is all right to say we are all Cypriots now,but no one is taking the blame for wanting to be Greeks back in the 50s and 60s and 70s...No one was saying we are all Cypriots when the TCs were forced out of government and in to enclaves back in 1963...The GC side of the Cypriot equation has been living in another planet for too long... They thought that because they were in the majority they could force anything on the Tcs and the TCs would have to like it or lump it...There is little appreciation or acceptance of that on this forum,and I dare say in the real world as well...Crying foul and blaming everything on Turkey's "expansionist aims" might make some people feel good,but it is doing nothing to solve the problem...There has to be a collective "mea culpa" from the GC side,followed by a realistic appraisal of the present situation...Some loudmouth in this thread wants to know what compromises the TC side are making...They will be making the ultimate compromise according to most TCs...The GCs wanted Enosis with Greece and we ended up being one step away from Enosis with Turkey...That is what the TCs will give up to return to (for most of them) an uncertain future to live with the GCs in a federation, the same people who showed so little regard for the TC sensitivities and wishes in living memory...I see very little appreciation and acceptance of the realities of the past and the present...Hence I see little hope for a comprehensive solution in the horizon...We have not learnt our lessons from history,so we are condemned to repeat them...That is what really worries me...

Things are not simple but not that complicated either. Your reply contains another reason as to why we are so far away... you went back 30-40 years... it's this history trip that gets in the way. What's done is done. We can only look forward now. Take for example Australia or Canada. These two countries had their problems in the past but have put them aside for the sake of progress. You cannot worry about the cents and forget about the dollars!

When I said you must behave like Cypriots instead of Turks, means a lot. GCs, see you as Turks more than Cypriots. Turks are our enemy, not Cypriots. You must distance yourselves from Turkey and start to think like Europeans. Furthermore, you must take action and prove you can become Europeans. Get your politicians to form a by-partisan committee to negotiate with us - not Talat by himself. In this manner, you may have more "independence" from Turkey, more self-determination I might say.
This committee must take bold steps and show compliance to the UN resolutions so the rest of the nations can take you seriously. I believe this is the way to proceed. This is the way to become LEGAL. For 36 years, your "state" is illegal and shall stay illegal till you decide to change that. We can not change that for you. You gotta do it yourselves.

Georgios100

It is too late,Georgio...I wish it could be done...That is...for the TCs to behave more like Cypriots than Turks...It is 36 years too late...The TCs have been surviving with he grace of Turkey for all that time,and whatever Turkey's real motivation might be,that is the reality facing us today...You don't want to look back and see why we are where we are today...That is totally unrealistic...You need to realise why the TCs are in the predicament they are in today..And you can't do that by looking at a coffee cup...
The TCs were put in a position where they became the despised "other" inhabitants of Cyprus,simply because they refused to accept their country gifted to Greece on a plate...You need to digest this fact,vomit it out,and digest it again,in order to understand the reality of the situation...There is no easy way out...The Tcs cannot kick turkey in the guts now,EU or no EU...The key to understanding that lies in the past...You refuse to consider it and there will be no joint future,and no nation of Cypriots...You will be GCs forever and we will become Turks forever...Some people think we already are...

[wallace]

No more dumb turks, there are enough of you already.

Takes one dumb fuck to know another

That's right.....the whole fucking world is on to you dumb fucks! The only ones that are not getting it is the dumb turks. That's number 4 turk on this forum who can't answer a simple question. Or can you? Here we go again......what did the TC's and turks compromise up untill now?

I will answer your stupid question - NOTHING, as there is no need to


And FFS, no more abuse

Good answer! The "as there is no need to" part I don't understand. Why and what are you negotiating then?

[EPSILON]

If things were that simple,the problem would have been solved long time ago,Georgio...There have been too many heads in the sand for too long...It is all right to say we are all Cypriots now,but no one is taking the blame for wanting to be Greeks back in the 50s and 60s and 70s...No one was saying we are all Cypriots when the TCs were forced out of government and in to enclaves back in 1963...The GC side of the Cypriot equation has been living in another planet for too long... They thought that because they were in the majority they could force anything on the Tcs and the TCs would have to like it or lump it...There is little appreciation or acceptance of that on this forum,and I dare say in the real world as well...Crying foul and blaming everything on Turkey's "expansionist aims" might make some people feel good,but it is doing nothing to solve the problem...There has to be a collective "mea culpa" from the GC side,followed by a realistic appraisal of the present situation...Some loudmouth in this thread wants to know what compromises the TC side are making...They will be making the ultimate compromise according to most TCs...The GCs wanted Enosis with Greece and we ended up being one step away from Enosis with Turkey...That is what the TCs will give up to return to (for most of them) an uncertain future to live with the GCs in a federation, the same people who showed so little regard for the TC sensitivities and wishes in living memory...I see very little appreciation and acceptance of the realities of the past and the present...Hence I see little hope for a comprehensive solution in the horizon...We have not learnt our lessons from history,so we are condemned to repeat them...That is what really worries me...

Things are not simple but not that complicated either. Your reply contains another reason as to why we are so far away... you went back 30-40 years... it's this history trip that gets in the way. What's done is done. We can only look forward now. Take for example Australia or Canada. These two countries had their problems in the past but have put them aside for the sake of progress. You cannot worry about the cents and forget about the dollars!

When I said you must behave like Cypriots instead of Turks, means a lot. GCs, see you as Turks more than Cypriots. Turks are our enemy, not Cypriots. You must distance yourselves from Turkey and start to think like Europeans. Furthermore, you must take action and prove you can become Europeans. Get your politicians to form a by-partisan committee to negotiate with us - not Talat by himself. In this manner, you may have more "independence" from Turkey, more self-determination I might say.
This committee must take bold steps and show compliance to the UN resolutions so the rest of the nations can take you seriously. I believe this is the way to proceed. This is the way to become LEGAL. For 36 years, your "state" is illegal and shall stay illegal till you decide to change that. We can not change that for you. You gotta do it yourselves.

Georgios100

It is too late,Georgio...I wish it could be done...That is...for the TCs to behave more like Cypriots than Turks...It is 36 years too late...The TCs have been surviving with he grace of Turkey for all that time,and whatever Turkey's real motivation might be,that is the reality facing us today...You don't want to look back and see why we are where we are today...That is totally unrealistic...You need to realise why the TCs are in the predicament they are in today..And you can't do that by looking at a coffee cup...
The TCs were put in a position where they became the despised "other" inhabitants of Cyprus,simply because they refused to accept their country gifted to Greece on a plate...You need to digest this fact,vomit it out,and digest it again,in order to understand the reality of the situation...There is no easy way out...The Tcs cannot kick turkey in the guts now,EU or no EU...The key to understanding that lies in the past...You refuse to consider it and there will be no joint future,and no nation of Cypriots...You will be GCs forever and we will become Turks forever...Some people think we already are...

Even BirKibrisli" understand the difference of progress in Cyprus. They are Turks but we are just G/cs!!!

They have an Ethnicity. we just remain with a citizemship.Some more years ahead and it will not be necessary for any solution in Cyprus. They/We, preparing the solution every day, step by step.It would be much easier for a Cypriot to be under the unbrella of the new Ottoman empire than for a Greek. Reasons are obvious but our dna continue the same route-we understand the damage when the disaster is came.not earlier.

[EPSILON]

If things were that simple,the problem would have been solved long time ago,Georgio...There have been too many heads in the sand for too long...It is all right to say we are all Cypriots now,but no one is taking the blame for wanting to be Greeks back in the 50s and 60s and 70s...No one was saying we are all Cypriots when the TCs were forced out of government and in to enclaves back in 1963...The GC side of the Cypriot equation has been living in another planet for too long... They thought that because they were in the majority they could force anything on the Tcs and the TCs would have to like it or lump it...There is little appreciation or acceptance of that on this forum,and I dare say in the real world as well...Crying foul and blaming everything on Turkey's "expansionist aims" might make some people feel good,but it is doing nothing to solve the problem...There has to be a collective "mea culpa" from the GC side,followed by a realistic appraisal of the present situation...Some loudmouth in this thread wants to know what compromises the TC side are making...They will be making the ultimate compromise according to most TCs...The GCs wanted Enosis with Greece and we ended up being one step away from Enosis with Turkey...That is what the TCs will give up to return to (for most of them) an uncertain future to live with the GCs in a federation, the same people who showed so little regard for the TC sensitivities and wishes in living memory...I see very little appreciation and acceptance of the realities of the past and the present...Hence I see little hope for a comprehensive solution in the horizon...We have not learnt our lessons from history,so we are condemned to repeat them...That is what really worries me...

Things are not simple but not that complicated either. Your reply contains another reason as to why we are so far away... you went back 30-40 years... it's this history trip that gets in the way. What's done is done. We can only look forward now. Take for example Australia or Canada. These two countries had their problems in the past but have put them aside for the sake of progress. You cannot worry about the cents and forget about the dollars!

When I said you must behave like Cypriots instead of Turks, means a lot. GCs, see you as Turks more than Cypriots. Turks are our enemy, not Cypriots. You must distance yourselves from Turkey and start to think like Europeans. Furthermore, you must take action and prove you can become Europeans. Get your politicians to form a by-partisan committee to negotiate with us - not Talat by himself. In this manner, you may have more "independence" from Turkey, more self-determination I might say.
This committee must take bold steps and show compliance to the UN resolutions so the rest of the nations can take you seriously. I believe this is the way to proceed. This is the way to become LEGAL. For 36 years, your "state" is illegal and shall stay illegal till you decide to change that. We can not change that for you. You gotta do it yourselves.

Georgios100

It is too late,Georgio...I wish it could be done...That is...for the TCs to behave more like Cypriots than Turks...It is 36 years too late...The TCs have been surviving with he grace of Turkey for all that time,and whatever Turkey's real motivation might be,that is the reality facing us today...You don't want to look back and see why we are where we are today...That is totally unrealistic...You need to realise why the TCs are in the predicament they are in today..And you can't do that by looking at a coffee cup...
The TCs were put in a position where they became the despised "other" inhabitants of Cyprus,simply because they refused to accept their country gifted to Greece on a plate...You need to digest this fact,vomit it out,and digest it again,in order to understand the reality of the situation...There is no easy way out...The Tcs cannot kick turkey in the guts now,EU or no EU...The key to understanding that lies in the past...You refuse to consider it and there will be no joint future,and no nation of Cypriots...You will be GCs forever and we will become Turks forever...Some people think we already are...

Even BirKibrisli" understand the difference of progress in Cyprus. They are Turks but we are just G/cs!!!

They have an Ethnicity. we just remain with a citizemship.Some more years ahead and it will not be necessary for any solution in Cyprus. They/We, preparing the solution every day, step by step.It would be much easier for a Cypriot to be under the unnbrella of the new Ottoman empire than for a Greek. Reasons are obvious but our dna continue the same route-we understand the damage when the disaster is came.not earlier.

[Viewpoint]

Excellent posts Bir you reflect the real mindset of the TCs well done.

[DT.]

Excellent posts Bir you reflect the real mindset of the TCs well done.

how times change

Let me give you some more details:

The number of TRNC "citizens" are reportedly 133,937.
No information on how many of these are real TCs...

People with TRNC plus another citizenship reportedly 42,795.
I am confused as to who these people are...Perhaps people with foreign passports living in the TRNC???

People with both TRNC and Turkish citizenship reportedly 33,870

So given that de-jure population is supposedly 256,644 there are 46,042 people who are not TRNC citizens.Are these the settlers who have work permits? Or soldiers? or students?

Whichever way we look at it the number of real TCs are no more than 50% of the total population,by Ferdi Soyer's admission apparently...
So,Viewpoint...is there another state in the world where the noncitizens are equal to the citizens???

So what you are saying is that those with dual citizenship are not TCs, great thinking Birkopolous.

[Byron]

In case the current negotiations fail to produce a solution, what's to happen next?

Is this good news or bad news?

Any predictions for the future of the island?

Georgios100

If negotiations fail and the TRNC starts to gain recognition from other countries is that good news or bad news?

Its impossible news.

Impossible how so? Do you trust the USA that much!

Nope, but I trust international law locking countries into place… it’s a bit like rust, once you get locked in there’s no getting out!

And not to mention that you don’t even have the SLIGHTEST incentive to entice the few UN renegades!

You’ve got better chances playing Lotto…

I think the odds are better than the lotto. Bangladesh broke off from Pakistan but gained recognition. Kosovo's UDI was rejected by ROC but has gained recognition. Paraguay, Azebaijan and Gambia have recently announced their wilingness to formally recognise the TRNC. So never say never - solution is the best possible outcome and recognition would be a disaster but that's where we are heading

But no EU state is prepared to recognise TRNC.

[YFred]

In case the current negotiations fail to produce a solution, what's to happen next?

Is this good news or bad news?

Any predictions for the future of the island?

Georgios100

If negotiations fail and the TRNC starts to gain recognition from other countries is that good news or bad news?

Its impossible news.

Impossible how so? Do you trust the USA that much!

Nope, but I trust international law locking countries into place… it’s a bit like rust, once you get locked in there’s no getting out!

And not to mention that you don’t even have the SLIGHTEST incentive to entice the few UN renegades!

You’ve got better chances playing Lotto…

I think the odds are better than the lotto. Bangladesh broke off from Pakistan but gained recognition. Kosovo's UDI was rejected by ROC but has gained recognition. Paraguay, Azebaijan and Gambia have recently announced their wilingness to formally recognise the TRNC. So never say never - solution is the best possible outcome and recognition would be a disaster but that's where we are heading

But no EU state is prepared to recognise TRNC.

Rome was not built in a day nor was Istanbul. Give it time, not long left now.