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[boulio]

ive gone over the security many times with a turkish contigent included in a EU/nato force and you seem to just ignore it.THat is a comprimise turkish soldiers on cyprus(g/c comprimise)under eu/nato command structure(t/c comprimise).

[georgios100]

Solution has been predicted to occur "by default" in some recent articles.google Cyprus & by default" I'm too busy. Greek Cypriots have a responsibility to earn Turkish Cypriot trust and cooperation. This is not because of blame or who did what to who. It is simply a duty that comes with being a larger portion of the population. Smaller populations will become radicalized and focus on division if they are not offered genuine incentives to cooperate. 1960's Cyprus was too primitive and Levantine to understand the benefits of affirmative action. If Cypriots realized the benefits of winning support and cooperation from all components of the the population I would still be in Kyrenia and there would be no subterfuge Turkey could have used to napalm my all Greekcypriot town. I feel that the public and private sector must be encouraged even obligated to hire/appoint Turkish Cypriots to senior roles. There should be a large number of scholarships for Turkish Cypriots to study at internationally recognized Cypriot Tertiary Institutions. Other good will gestures are required but hopefully you get my point. I would go so far as to provide Turkish Cypriots who wish to work/live in the free areas rent free homes if they can fill skills shortages in regional areas.If it became law that every political party had to appoint at least a number of Turkish Cypriots to senior roles then they would have a reason to cooperate and trust us. In Singapore, political parties must be made up of the ethnic groups represented on the island nation. Even though Singapore is not exactly the most shining example of democracy Cypriots could learn from this multicultural but ridiculously wealthy little island nation and I am not talking about the fantastic Ka-Tong Singapore Laksa. In some ways Cyprus has fewer challenges when you consider the make up of other countries.

Thank you,SKI...Finally, a progressive free thinker who knows what he is talking about...What a pity we wasted 50 odd years chasing stupid nationalist dreams instead of looking at ways of getting on with each other in our tiny homeland...Great to hear too,there is another LAKSA worshipper out there...

Bir, it seems to me that most GCs are oblivious to the TCs needs. They offer this and that and the other while they are tighting the nouse round our necks with their economic suffocation. How about remove isolation. Nothing else is required. Is it that difficult to understand?

It's quite simple YFred - Turkey gives the GCs back their land then the RoC gives back their TCs land back - your isolation will end overnight.

Bir wrote

How? How will the isolations end overnight??? Even if all the GC land is returned,and all the TCs got their own land back in the South,.you will still have the trnc...And the Turkish soldiers,and the borders...Nothing will change...Are you suggesting that the ROC is only concerned about people's property rights... The UN will recognise the trnc if all the refugees get their land back??? What about the political situation??? What about the rights of the TCs in the RoC constitution??? What about the settler situation???

Hey Bir,

The UN issued it's resolutions which were ignored by the TC side. These resolutions spell out exactly what should be done from the TC side in order to resolve the problem. All the outstanding issues are addressed in detail (Troop withdraw, return of properties etc).

All nations of this planet concurred with UN (except Pakistan). You guys have to realize one thing. Legalize your position by complying with the UN resolutions. Stop ignoring them.

Gaining land via war does not work anymore. 36 years of occupation is the proof of this (isolation). History spoke. The Turkish troops invaded to protect the TC minority. The "protection" status of these troops should have ended many years ago. UN refers to them as "occupying troops", not peace keeping troops.

Removing the troops immediately (prior to the current talks) would be well appreciated by the UN. This is a good start. I am convinced the GC side will not attack, what for?

Returning the ghost town of Baroshia is also a good move. The town is not populated and should be given back, no question.

Sitting down on the table and hammering down a fair deal is the next step.
The only way to legalize yourselves is to merge with RoC, the only legal authority on the island.

This is the reality today. There is no way out of this. Bullying around with strong language does not produce results. While Turkey likes to flex it's muscles in Cyprus, you guys are suffering for no reason. Break away fron the so called"safe heaven" offered by Turkey. The true safe heaven is EU.
You guys are not Turks but CYPRIOTS, so act like Cypriots for a change.

Georgios100

[Viewpoint]

You are trying to flog faulty goods in the shape of minority rights in a gc state run by gcs.

[Viewpoint]

You are trying to flog faulty goods in the shape of minority rights in a gc state run by gcs.

[BirKibrisli]

If things were that simple,the problem would have been solved long time ago,Georgio...There have been too many heads in the sand for too long...It is all right to say we are all Cypriots now,but no one is taking the blame for wanting to be Greeks back in the 50s and 60s and 70s...No one was saying we are all Cypriots when the TCs were forced out of government and in to enclaves back in 1963...The GC side of the Cypriot equation has been living in another planet for too long... They thought that because they were in the majority they could force anything on the Tcs and the TCs would have to like it or lump it...There is little appreciation or acceptance of that on this forum,and I dare say in the real world as well...Crying foul and blaming everything on Turkey's "expansionist aims" might make some people feel good,but it is doing nothing to solve the problem...There has to be a collective "mea culpa" from the GC side,followed by a realistic appraisal of the present situation...Some loudmouth in this thread wants to know what compromises the TC side are making...They will be making the ultimate compromise according to most TCs...The GCs wanted Enosis with Greece and we ended up being one step away from Enosis with Turkey...That is what the TCs will give up to return to (for most of them) an uncertain future to live with the GCs in a federation, the same people who showed so little regard for the TC sensitivities and wishes in living memory...I see very little appreciation and acceptance of the realities of the past and the present...Hence I see little hope for a comprehensive solution in the horizon...We have not learnt our lessons from history,so we are condemned to repeat them...That is what really worries me...

[wallace]

Post the new thread or I will not answer you why is that so difficult to understand?

You don't abide by my rules and I do t abide by yours, but you are the one asking the question, do you see the parrellel there?

Dictating to post a new thread ah? You're a lost case! And you will not answer me in this or a new thread.....and the reason is because you CAN'T answer my question, is that so difficult to understand? Next dumb fuck please

Dictating a post

Why dont you just start the thread then?or,are you worried that you might hear the inevitable?
Fucking loser.

The inevitable is that you fucking turks can't answer a simple question! So who is the loser here? Now....take your fucking army out of Cyprus and go safe your turkey asshole. It's falling apart.

The only inevitable in Cyprus is ,if the GCs do not sort out their acts sooner or later "you" fucking greeks will have another slap on your faces if you carry on with that attitude.And if you think the rest of the world gives a shit what goes on in a tiny little Cyprus,you've got another thing coming up.Sad thing is,there are alot of good GCs that are also going to suffer.

no emiticons,there are enough of you already.

Greeks? Which Greeks are you talking about idiot? Greeks are in Greece. You mean Greek speaking Cypriots right? Another slap on our faces? Take your threats to turkey you 3rd world baboon....they don't scare me! You're the 3rd dumb turk that can't answer my simple question. Now go shoot down a turkish plane, bomb a couple of moskes and blame it on the Greeks and then lets see if the rest of the world gives a shit you moron. Now go back to that planet of the apes country of yours and leave the rest of the serious discussions to people that are educated.

No more dumb turks, there are enough of you already.

[Me Ed]

So what assurance can the TCs give the GCs that if a BBF is agreed, there won't be any manipulation by the Govt of the Republic of Turkey in the Governance of a free Cyprus? This is because there is a feeling that the interference by Turkey in the latest round of talks is counter-productive and may be an indicator if things to come.

[aussieturk]

You found the wrong person to play the “trust card” with because I for one couldn’t care less whom you trust, and know for sure that nobody can EVER trust YOU!

Thats fine, we are even

[apc2010]

If thats correct you must have a shit load of friends

[georgios100]

If things were that simple,the problem would have been solved long time ago,Georgio...There have been too many heads in the sand for too long...It is all right to say we are all Cypriots now,but no one is taking the blame for wanting to be Greeks back in the 50s and 60s and 70s...No one was saying we are all Cypriots when the TCs were forced out of government and in to enclaves back in 1963...The GC side of the Cypriot equation has been living in another planet for too long... They thought that because they were in the majority they could force anything on the Tcs and the TCs would have to like it or lump it...There is little appreciation or acceptance of that on this forum,and I dare say in the real world as well...Crying foul and blaming everything on Turkey's "expansionist aims" might make some people feel good,but it is doing nothing to solve the problem...There has to be a collective "mea culpa" from the GC side,followed by a realistic appraisal of the present situation...Some loudmouth in this thread wants to know what compromises the TC side are making...They will be making the ultimate compromise according to most TCs...The GCs wanted Enosis with Greece and we ended up being one step away from Enosis with Turkey...That is what the TCs will give up to return to (for most of them) an uncertain future to live with the GCs in a federation, the same people who showed so little regard for the TC sensitivities and wishes in living memory...I see very little appreciation and acceptance of the realities of the past and the present...Hence I see little hope for a comprehensive solution in the horizon...We have not learnt our lessons from history,so we are condemned to repeat them...That is what really worries me...

Things are not simple but not that complicated either. Your reply contains another reason as to why we are so far away... you went back 30-40 years... it's this history trip that gets in the way. What's done is done. We can only look forward now. Take for example Australia or Canada. These two countries had their problems in the past but have put them aside for the sake of progress. You cannot worry about the cents and forget about the dollars!

When I said you must behave like Cypriots instead of Turks, means a lot. GCs, see you as Turks more than Cypriots. Turks are our enemy, not Cypriots. You must distance yourselves from Turkey and start to think like Europeans. Furthermore, you must take action and prove you can become Europeans. Get your politicians to form a by-partisan committee to negotiate with us - not Talat by himself. In this manner, you may have more "independence" from Turkey, more self-determination I might say.
This committee must take bold steps and show compliance to the UN resolutions so the rest of the nations can take you seriously. I believe this is the way to proceed. This is the way to become LEGAL. For 36 years, your "state" is illegal and shall stay illegal till you decide to change that. We can not change that for you. You gotta do it yourselves.

Georgios100