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[Malapapa]

No bill the GCs Will

How come you know what the Cypriot leadership is planning? I don't, yet I know enough about international diplomacy to conclude the President is highly unlikely to want to be the one seen to walk away, unilaterally, from the talks.

[fwnh]

VP is right on that, it only takes a few idiots- hence why I support the Turkish troops being withdrawn SLOWLY. Also a good mixed militia, either police or a new infantry. Let's not forget that (a) we have a lot of shotguns and (b) both EOKA and TMT managed to get hold of guns.

YFred, I honestly don't want to get into an argument with you because you have very strong, inflexible ideas and it will degenerate into an argument- you don't want to see a middle ground. Don't take it the wrong way, there's 'GC' forum members of the same style. Sorry dude. All I was saying is that red line should have been traced out earlier, and as far as the RoC is concerned, it wasnt a red line 60 yrs ago because we werent mature enough as a country to let go of Greece's apron strings and we hadn't been invaded by the Turkish army. Again, don't jump down my throat- whether it was right or wrong is irrelevant to what I'm trying to say, but the fact is 99.9 % of GC would not want Turkey to have the right to unilateral intervention in any solution.

But re liontari who fed the guns to EOKA and TMT?? ... the guarantor states this is the whole argument we are making about no guarantors....

Were they guarantors at the time? They could STILL feed weapons in. I agree on no guarantors, but we need a very secure mechanism to ensure that TC's are effectively secure and so are GC, and feel it too. Look, I personally don't think that these days the TC have much to worry about but what I think is irrelevant, both sides need to feel a security if they are to enter any kind of partnership in good faith. That's why I made my suggestion- I'm sure there's an even better way.

Ofcourse they were guarantors, that how RoC was formed with England Turkey and Greece as guarantors. Why go through the same actions and supply people with guns if they have no control over the island hence nothing to gain like they did in the past?

[Malapapa]

VP is right on that, it only takes a few idiots- hence why I support the Turkish troops being withdrawn SLOWLY. Also a good mixed militia, either police or a new infantry. Let's not forget that (a) we have a lot of shotguns and (b) both EOKA and TMT managed to get hold of guns.

YFred, I honestly don't want to get into an argument with you because you have very strong, inflexible ideas and it will degenerate into an argument- you don't want to see a middle ground. Don't take it the wrong way, there's 'GC' forum members of the same style. Sorry dude. All I was saying is that red line should have been traced out earlier, and as far as the RoC is concerned, it wasnt a red line 60 yrs ago because we werent mature enough as a country to let go of Greece's apron strings and we hadn't been invaded by the Turkish army. Again, don't jump down my throat- whether it was right or wrong is irrelevant to what I'm trying to say, but the fact is 99.9 % of GC would not want Turkey to have the right to unilateral intervention in any solution.

But re liontari who fed the guns to EOKA and TMT?? ... the guarantor states this is the whole argument we are making about no guarantors....

america helped turkey a lot to invade and they gave them the weapons, they are not a garantore power as you know

I believe courts in the US will soon be examining how these US weapons were used by Turkey. It's likely to be a hugely costly affair for Turkey.

[fwnh]

lets not go into why kissinger realised it would be the USA's best interest for turkey to invade the island, the fact is that turkey was the guarantor state

[Malapapa]

Mala anything is better than being forces to live as a minority in a gc state run by gcs

It's a shame you see it that way but there's nothing that can be done to change your view, nor to prevent what will transpire because you're unable to.

[humanist]

Is there point for Christofias to waste tax payers money to meet with Talat. These talks are falling apart so why doesn't Christofias stop wasting time and concentrate on pressuring Europe to take action against Turkey.

[fwnh]

VP wtf? i see you as a cypriot why do you see yourself as a minority?

[Viewpoint]

Mala anything is better than being forces to live as a minority in a gc state run by gcs

It's a shame you see it that way but there's nothing that can be done to change your view, nor to prevent what will transpire because you're unable to.

if you are talking about turkification dont forget we are turkish in original so you so called threats are very hollow

[fwnh]

Mala anything is better than being forces to live as a minority in a gc state run by gcs

It's a shame you see it that way but there's nothing that can be done to change your view, nor to prevent what will transpire because you're unable to.

if you are talking about turkification dont forget we are turkish in original so you so called threats are very hollow

oh so you're a turk impersonating a TC

[Gasman]

Bill I posted this on your other thread about guarantors a couple of hours ago as I thought it was relevant to the question of 'guarantors'.