Cyprus-Forum.com

[Viewpoint]

[Gasman]

And you misquote all the time Oracle. If someone's original post did not contain underlining and bolding and great huge coloured font to draw attention and put emphasis on certain words and phrases - you should not change it to make it look as if it did.

Carry on!

[Get Real!]

Yialoser. If you really want to help Cyprus the best thing you can do is never, EVER post on the Cyprus problem section of the forum again.

Would you have said the same to GR! when he first made reference to it?

No!

So let people learn .....

The material is NOT false.

Put your (male) egos behind you!

They think by calling me names like Yialoser their funny, it just shows their stupidity.

Yeah, hence why most of us could do with re-tuning our baseline!

It would be a shame if the erroneous attribution to this source would be allowed to condemn the material itself.

Get Real! ... unaccustomed to making mistakes, allowed Machiavelli's Master, Erolz, to bamboozle him into thinking his tiny mistake was bigger than the BIG picture.

Instead of concentrating on the material evidence, they drifted to the importance of the messenger.

This male frailty may yet be GR!'s undoing! But, not if I can help it.

Get Real!

Get back here and turn this AROUND!

I did whatever I could for Yialousa by giving him a two-minute warning about the mistake at exactly 9:36 pm and he replied that he didn’t care, and by 9:38 pm 74LB responded!

For me, this is not about whether or not what the govt of Cyprus was saying in that report is correct, but that the source of the document does NOT fall under the “credible evidence” criteria I go by due to the likelihood of bias.

[Oracle]

Yialoser. If you really want to help Cyprus the best thing you can do is never, EVER post on the Cyprus problem section of the forum again.

Would you have said the same to GR! when he first made reference to it?

No!

So let people learn .....

The material is NOT false.

Put your (male) egos behind you!

They think by calling me names like Yialoser their funny, it just shows their stupidity.

Yeah, hence why most of us could do with re-tuning our baseline!

It would be a shame if the erroneous attribution to this source would be allowed to condemn the material itself.

Get Real! ... unaccustomed to making mistakes, allowed Machiavelli's Master, Erolz, to bamboozle him into thinking his tiny mistake was bigger than the BIG picture.

Instead of concentrating on the material evidence, they drifted to the importance of the messenger.

This male frailty may yet be GR!'s undoing! But, not if I can help it.

Get Real!

Get back here and turn this AROUND!

I did whatever I could for Yialousa by giving him a two-minute warning about the mistake at exactly 9:36 pm and he replied that he didn’t care, and by 9:38 pm 74LB responded!

For me, this is not about whether or not what the govt of Cyprus was saying in that report is correct, but that the source of the document does NOT fall under the “credible evidence” criteria I go by due to the likelihood of bias.

Sorry, I didn't know about that. I was just trying to make the best of an escalating situation.

But, maybe you set impossibly high standards ....

Sometimes the truth does come out from the victim. The RoC would have nothing to gain by lying as its plight is well documented.

[Get Real!]

Yialoser. If you really want to help Cyprus the best thing you can do is never, EVER post on the Cyprus problem section of the forum again.

Would you have said the same to GR! when he first made reference to it?

No!

So let people learn .....

The material is NOT false.

Put your (male) egos behind you!

They think by calling me names like Yialoser their funny, it just shows their stupidity.

Yeah, hence why most of us could do with re-tuning our baseline!

It would be a shame if the erroneous attribution to this source would be allowed to condemn the material itself.

Get Real! ... unaccustomed to making mistakes, allowed Machiavelli's Master, Erolz, to bamboozle him into thinking his tiny mistake was bigger than the BIG picture.

Instead of concentrating on the material evidence, they drifted to the importance of the messenger.

This male frailty may yet be GR!'s undoing! But, not if I can help it.

Get Real!

Get back here and turn this AROUND!

I did whatever I could for Yialousa by giving him a two-minute warning about the mistake at exactly 9:36 pm and he replied that he didn’t care, and by 9:38 pm 74LB responded!

For me, this is not about whether or not what the govt of Cyprus was saying in that report is correct, but that the source of the document does NOT fall under the “credible evidence” criteria I go by due to the likelihood of bias.

Sorry, I didn't know about that. I was just trying to make the best of an escalating situation.

But, maybe you set impossibly high standards ....

Sometimes the truth does come out from the victim. The RoC would have nothing to gain by lying as its plight is well documented.

There’s nothing more satisfying than using non-RoC credible sources (the only exception being land ownership for obvious reasons) for an air tight defeat of your opponent!

[yialousa1971]

OrphicHymn wrote:

You always made up stories in order to realize your planned crimes and you always made up stories in order to justify them afterwards. This was true as well as before the invasion of 1974 as also after. Stories like the "Children in the bathtub". Its story? the family was killed by their OWN father, Nihat Ilhan (not a turkish-cypriot) in a stage of amok, he slayed his wife and three children in his house in the center of Leukosia.

OrphicHymn wrote:

It was Denktash and his TMT agents who placed the bodies in the bathtub and who commanded the photographer Ahmet Baran to take pictures and to distribute them claiming that the Greeks killed the family. The same photographer who took these pictures confessed that the story was faked and that the aim was to convince the world that the Greeks commit genocide against the turkish cypriots.

OrphicHymn wrote:

Same tactic you used before also in the 50's (staged bombing of the house of Ataturk in Thessaloniki by Turkish secret service) in order to start the killings against the few Greeks who remained in Constantinople. This were the Pogroms in 1955, the Kristallnacht of Hellenism in Constantinople.

We all know of the well known circulated photograph of children killed in a bathtub, which has been used by Turkey and the ilegall pseudo-state in an attempt to justify the already condemned by UN Resolutions, ilegal presence of the occupation forces on the island..


But how did it really happen ???

It was the 24th of December 1963, when the Major of the Turkish (NOT Turko-Cypriot) Army Nihat Ilhan, literally in a stage of amock, slayed his wife and three children in his house in the center of Leukosia.

Denktash and his TMT propaganda agents who's sole interest was the division of the island as their very slogan "Partition or Death" clearly indicates, took the bodies and placed them in the bathtub where the photoreporter Ahmet Baran was ordered to photograph them and distribute the pictures claiming that this was the result of HC attrocities in the city..dispite the fact that nothing had taken place in the district in question during the events of that day..

(This is a summary of the original statement given to Kostas Genaris by the very man that took the photographs, the photoreporter Ahmet Baran, as presented in his book "Ex Anatolon" p.16-18.)

The horrific events of that night were also described to Arif Hasan Tahsin, then under Denktash's orders and since then one of the major anti-Denktash and anti-occupation forces collumnist.
Denktash had told him that "These dead are usefull to us, through them, our voice will be heard around the world"

It is interesting to note that the only attempt to discredit the events described in K.Genaris' book comes not as a suprize, from the official site of Rauf Denktash . Here, we have the unfortunate pleasure of becoming, once again, witness to how the Turkish and pseudo-states propaganda machine works.

In an attempt to discredit Ahmed Baran's statement and K.Genaris book Turkey and the pseudo-state mobilized yet another individual with dubious backgroud and anything but pure intentions to promote the truth.

We find Tom Roche who is media adviser to the former puppet-leader Denktash and his pseudo-state AND a shareholder and 'consultant' of Hillcrest Estates, (Hillcrest Estates part of the UK brach, is a Cyprus-based real estate agency.. just one of several such agencies trying to sell the illegally occupied Cypriot lands)
Tom Roche claimed that his photo was taken by his alleged friend Stan Meagher. (note that Stan Meagher is conveniently deceased) and was later seen published in Harry Scott Gibbons' "Genocide Files".

It is at least interesting to note that a distinguished photoreporter like Stan Meagher, a man who in T.Roche's own words "loved the news game" would abandon Cyprus, a Cyprus that had more than enough events to cover and return to Britain only to consume himself on taking photos of film actresses like that of Maggie Smith taken only a month after the alleged massacre.

Finally we should make reference to Harry Scott Gibbons who has circulated this picture in the highly questionable for its accuracy 'Genocide Files'..

Among several questionable accounts is the existance of some 300 tanks while we know beyond doubt that at the time, the Hellinic-Cypriots had no more than 17 !!!

While in his account of the events claims the presence of 5 more individuals in the house, its interesting to note that while Major Ilhan's wife and children were gunned down by machine guns despite the fact that the pic suprizingly shows no single bullet whole on the wall, the other hidden in the very same same bathroom, managed to get away with minor injuries..

[yialousa1971]

More information from AFRIKA on the bathroom massacre incident.
Turkish Cypriot daily AFRIKA newspaper (28.02.07) reports in its first page that there is new information on the issue of the bathroom massacre incident. (TR. Note: The incident took place in 1963, where a Turkish Cypriot family was found dead in the bathroom of its house. The Turkish Cypriot side supports that the family was killed by Greek Cypriot guerrillas). AFRIKAs columnist Sener Levent reports, inter alia, in his daily Column Point of View that there is the need to clarify this issue. Mr Levent goes on and writes that the paper received two more pieces of information on this issue yesterday: The first one is related to Hasan Kudum who was hurt during the bathroom massacre incident but he did not lose his life. Asked by his friends if those who came to kill them spoke between them Greek or Turkish, Hasan Kudum stated: There were persons who spoke Greek and there were persons who spoke Turkish. The second information is related to a person who was known under the name Bozkurt (Grey wolf) and later it was found out that his real name was Kenan Coskun. Nihat Ilhan, whose wife and three children were killed in the incident, went to Kenan Coskun and asked him: Has the organisation killed my family in order to secure the intervention of Turkey in the island?. The answer given by Kenan Coskun and bothered Nihat Ilhan was the following: Go and take revenge. He did not tell him from where to take revenge, writes Sener Levent.