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[Me Ed]

DTA,

what I have noticed about you is the first you say sorry and then you ask GCs if they will sell out and accept compensation.

I'm affraid to say that as far as as you Turks are concerned, Cyprus is NOT for sale, however if you Turks want to put up the tiny 12.3% you actualy own up for sale, we that love our beloved country woud be more than willing to buy it off you for a fair price.

[DTA]

DTA,

what I have noticed about you is the first you say sorry and then you ask GCs if they will sell out and accept compensation.

I'm affraid to say that as far as as you Turks are concerned, Cyprus is NOT for sale, however if you Turks want to put up the tiny 12.3% you actualy own up for sale, we that love our beloved country woud be more than willing to buy it off you for a fair price.

I actually thought that you were smarter than this, But obviously not. So let me clarify my position:

I have said sorry for the loss of any NON COMBATANT life in 1974 as I don't believe it is right to kill anyone that is innocent.

However the intervention of 1974 was justified both legally and morally,

let me give you a little history lesson:

from the 1960s to '74 fascist GCs and fascists from Greece

- took away our legally given political equality (100% documented fact)

- Began to force us in to Ghettos (then denied dangerous stuff life baby milk in to those ghettos) (100% documented fact - although some GC claim that the TMt put us in to the 'enclaves')

- Massacred innocent women and children from 14 days old to 93 years old including many entire villages (100% documented fact).

- in 74 Greek was killing greek as well Greek killing Turk- Nico Samson who was in charge later said that if it was not for Turkeys intervention that he not only would have proclaimed enosis but wiped out the Turks on the Island. (100% documented fact)

there is a lot more but that will do for now, were you aware of these 100% documented facts?

As for property rights I think every individual should be either allowed to return get compensation or exchange the land for land in the south.

"you ask GCs if they will sell out and accept compensation."

The fact that you call it selling out is interesting, I believe that the ROC has used the refugees using the dialect of nationalism and propaganda to make them believe that accepting anything less than return is "selling out"

Is it fair that they can adopt 50% of an attitude that has seen our Island remain divided for over 35 years? while their own refugees remain in a time warp not being able to move on if not with their own assets with assets of similar value in the south of the island?

you need to wake up and think about why your politicians are so against you being given compensation and allowing you to move on.

but hey ho it is nothing to do with me you keep believing that it is the nasty Turks that have done all the wrong.

I'm affraid to say that as far as as you Turks are concerned, Cyprus is NOT for sale, however if you Turks want to put up the tiny 12.3% you actualy own up for sale

Wow just wow... there is a lot i could say to this but you know what, All I will as is for a un-bias primary source for your figure of 12.3%.

[Me Ed]

DTA,

OK - I may have over egged it but what I am respectfully asking is that you stop asking GCs if they would accept compensation/money for their losses because I find it quite distasteful and somewhat insulting.

The 12.3% figure has been discussed at length on this forum and is for another thread, but when you factor in an 18% population and the amount of land owned by the Church it does make sense that the actual figure is +/- in that region.

But I'm sure what ever the figure you will also say its not for sale.

[DTA]

DTA,

OK - I may have over egged it but what I am respectfully asking is that you stop asking GCs if they would accept compensation/money for their losses because I find it quite distasteful and somewhat insulting.

The 12.3% figure has been discussed at length on this forum and is for another thread, but when you factor in an 18% population and the amount of land owned by the Church it does make sense that the actual figure is +/- in that region.

But I'm sure what ever the figure you will also say its not for sale.

You did not 'over egg' you were being racist and confrontational - I expected more from you.

I doubt that you would have many TCs agreeing that our total land ownership was 12.3%, the amount of landed owned by that Vakif foundation is said to be 25% on its own.

I see you ignore all my points, but I will answer your query:

I ask people for there reasoning as to why the would not accept for example exchange? etc etc etc because I am trying to increase understanding between the two communities, not some sinister motive.

Why do you take offense to me asking that?

As I believe in peoples individual rights including property rights I want the GC to be able to see the benifits of their land NOW, and if that cant be return then I personally see nothing wrong with exchange or compensation, but hey that is just my opinion and I am in no way trying to enforce that opinion on you or anyone else.

[Me Ed]

Confrontational? - Yes
Racist? - No and never have been.

... and as for your last sentence, when a forumer put up a request on behalf of a friend to buy up TC in the land in the RoC by the coast (which I personally thought was cheeky), you didn't jump up and advise your TC friends to take advantage of the offer to realise the benefits of their land NOW.

On the contrary - you advised the direct opposite, so why would you expect the GCs to do the same?

Just say what you mean,

on the one hand : "will you GCs accept money for your land to f*ck off and leave us alone?"

on the other hand: "TCs under no circumstances sell your land in the RoC when you can take the GCs to the cleaners".

I put it to you that you are in fact the racist with your contradictory advice.

[DTA]

Confrontational? - Yes
Racist? - No and never have been.

... and as for your last sentence, when a forumer put up a request on behalf of a friend to buy up TC in the land in the RoC by the coast (which I personally thought was cheeky), you didn't jump up and advise your TC friends to take advantage of the offer to realise the benefits of their land NOW.

On the contrary - you advised the direct opposite, so why would you expect the GCs to do the same?

Just say what you mean,

on the one hand : "will you GCs accept money for your land to f*ck off and leave us alone?"

on the other hand: "TCs under no circumstances sell your land in the RoC when you can take the GCs to the cleaners".

I put it that you that you are in fact the racist with your contradictory advice.

Firstly all GC who go to the IPC (you know what this is?) on the Turkish side will be given compensation for loss of use of land as well as any final settlement whether that be return, exchange or current prices. This is all that I want for the TC as well, which you will not get if you sell you land to a private individual. So explain what is wrong with this? or racist with this?

Where is our IPC set up in south for our property? Why doesnt the ROC allow TCs and GCs if they want to, to exchange land?

My family own 50 donnums near Baf (pafos) with sea view that is either being lived in or otherwised used by GC refugees.

I can only talk for myself but what I would want with that land is this:

1) compensation for loss of use.
2) Exchange for land in the North with a GC of the same value and in a location that is suitable.

What I would NOT want is this:

1) to kick out the refugees who have lost their homes in the north.
2) the status quo, where we have not had benifit to the property that belongs to us since '68.


Do you understand now?

[Me Ed]

DTA,

I'll tell you what I feel is wrong and racist about it.

It would be very convenient for you and the IPC if all the land in the occupied area was either exchanged or compensated for so that you can realise your ultimate agenda - the formal partition of the RoC on ethnic and racial grounds.

I find seeking compensation for loss of use, particularly where refugees are concerned a pretty low move and counter-productive to a solution.

I will hang on to my deeds for now.

[DTA]

DTA,

I'll tell you what I feel is wrong and racist about it.

It would be very convenient for you and the IPC if all the land in the occupied area was either exchanged or compensated for so that you can realise your ultimate agenda - the formal partition of the RoC on ethnic and racial grounds.

I find seeking compensation for loss of use, particularly where refugees are concerned a pretty low move and counter-productive to a solution.

I will hang on to my deeds for now.

Hang on to your deeds for as long as you want that is your right.

It would be very convenient for you

why would it be convenient for me?

either exchanged or compensated for so that you can realise your ultimate agenda

you missed out where I say or return, why is this? is it because you are trying to prove me a partitionist?

I find seeking compensation for loss of use, particularly where refugees are concerned a pretty low move and counter-productive to a solution.

ok so you dont want compensation for the loss of use of your land, that is fair enough, and that is your choice.

But the ROC took away our land and have decided what to do with it, as we own it we should be compensated.

[Get Real!]

I doubt that you would have many TCs agreeing that our total land ownership was 12.3%,

Land Ownership by Ethnic Group:

60.9% - Greek/Armenian/Maronite Cypriots
12.3% - Turkish Cypriots
0.5% - Others
26.3% - State/Church Land

Source: Department of Lands and Surveys (refer to Annex 14 in Volume II of the "Memorandum by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cyprus" submitted to the Foreign Affairs Committee of the House of Commons, 27 February 1987.

...the amount of landed owned by that Vakif foundation is said to be 25% on its own.

Someone should remind/inform you that the British stripped the Ottomans of most of this stolen “Vakif” land by setting the record straight when in 1944 they passed the "Immovable Property Law” which returned the great majority of this stolen land back to the Greek Cypriots over successive counter-confiscations.

5.7 The Immovable Property (Tenure, Registration and Valuation) Law

http://www.neocleous.biz/en/download/busop_property.htm
http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/history ... evkaf.html

I ask people for there reasoning as to why the would not accept for example exchange? etc etc etc because I am trying to increase understanding between the two communities, not some sinister motive.

Why do you take offense to me asking that?

Because you're a time wasting idiot who can't count! There are FOUR times as many GC than TC refugees, so once the first 25% exchange then what will the remaning 75% GCs do?

[Me Ed]

DTA,

you need to show more compassion - would you have the RoC have refugees sleeping on the streets, only a low life would look to profit from a situation like this.

There is a settler in my property so I have the moral higher ground on you when it comes to compensation.

Can you tell who or what organisation this settler is paying rent to?

Me and my family will return after reunification, but in the mean time all I want for from Turkey to formally recognise that the land is mine and I want the rent paid into my account.