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[denizaksulu]

There cannot be any guarantees from Turkey in Cyprus. They had that privilege back in 1960 and abused it beyond any imagination soon after, along with Greece and Britain, therefore, they only have themselves to blame for not being wanted as a guarantors any longer. At least Greece and Britain now have the good sense not to make such ludicrous demands. I guess they have accepted their failures as guarantors and are willing to let their guarantor memberships expire. Had they ALL used their privileged guarantorships to what they all signed up to do, which they had not, and not only they did not do what they were suppose to do, but instead one had became an occupying power, I'm almost certain there would be no questions asked today as far as them ALL being invited to be guarantors again, had they all did their duties to the benefit of Cyprus and for ALL Cypriots. As the saying goes, "Fuck me once, shame on you.! Fuck me twice, shame on me".! For those who insists that there cannot be a settlement unless Turkey is a guarantor power, they are not looking after the interest of Cyprus and ALL Cypriots, but the interest of ONLY Turkey's and also to keep their Taksim dreams alive by the Fascist NeoPartitionist, only this time Taksim will come in the form as a recognised EU member and not the "Pirates of the Mediterranean" is what we have today in the north.

There are far better and more effective ways to secure everyone security in Cyprus, starting with a constitution that respects Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles than invite the same past "Three Stooges". Had they been the "Three Musketeers", (all for one and one for all), we would not be having this conversation now. If we were to reward bad behaviour in anything, there's no reason why the bad behaviour will not continue again in the future. It's like giving permission for them to become abusive again. Those who say we need Turkey's guarantees are only saying, "we want Turkey's guarantees to achieve Taksim as a recognised EU member". Turkey cannot become a guarantor on one part of the island without violating not only the sovereignty of Cyprus as a whole, but the sovereignty of the 27 EU member nation, which I'm most certain that the EU will not want Turkey to become their guarantor power of any part of her own territory, thank you very much.!

Which part(s) of the above tickled your fancy, Deniz.?

It would be easier to ask what bit I did not like. That answer is easy. The last fullstop.

[Viewpoint]

VP with all due respect man, you sound like a lady with an anxiety problem.....The European Union isnt going anywhere, its the wave of the future in that multi ethnic countries working together for a better tomorrow, economically, culturally and politically.....The EU laws are clear cut and guaranteed....I understand you need time to get over your anxiety thats been instilled in you by your propaganda machine in Turkey and Denktash.....I hope one day you go beyond all propaganda and see whats best for the entire island of Cyprus and not just what the TC have been conditioned to understand......

wyoming without any respect you sound like a prostitute on heat who cant enough EU c__k. Countries can survive outside of the EU and do all Over the world. What you have tounderstand is that you cannot have all the men use you in the fashion you are accustomed to. The day you start responding to my posta in a respectful manner is the day i do the same.

[Viewpoint]

No it means they have left the negotiations nothing left to discuss as they know this is the TCs life line.

Lifeline? It's your road to ruin and, just because you can't see it, expecting free Cypriots to join you on your journey to hell is foolish.

Whats the alternative to trust GCs?

You have no alternative. You'll do what Turkey's army tells you to do until you develop the courage to rebel.

why should we rebel?

[Kikapu]

Gc parliament has decided it Will not accept Turkey as a guarantor therefore officially bring to a close the current negotiations. This step again confirms that the GC side is not interested in compromise and even rejects its own constitution to which it needs to be reminded that it is bound by. Roll on the next step towards recognition, thank you again for being so stupid.

I have always told you that when pushed comes to shove with absurd demands made from the "trnc" (Turkey) for a settlement, which are outside the UN's BBF for Federation, the GCs will use their 2 main trump cards to derail the talks, which are the "No Turkish Guarantees & TA withdrawal demands". This alone would deter the TCs from ever wanting a referendum, which you yourself will vote "NO", let alone you trying to get another "OXI" from the GCs, again. They are just not going to have a referendum to be voted on so that you can get another OXI from them in your attempt to try and use it to push for a recognition of the north, as the case was with the AP in 2004, even though that too had not helped the north at all. As a matter of fact, things have gotten worse for the north politically and legally since 2004. Perhaps you should have been more receptive to my BBF plan, don't you think, since it gave you everything you had asked for (except for the Turkish guarantees and NO partition) . All you had to do, was to return half of the north back to it's rightful owners, and the deal could have been very difficult for the GCs to refuse, even if they did not like my BBF plan, except for our good friend, DT of course.!

[denizaksulu]

This quote sums it all up;

"we do not accept a solution based on Turkish conditions, aims and aspirations. Compromise is one thing and submission another”, - Garoyan

Enough said

says the armenian. and Azeris do not accept a solution based on armenian conditions mr. gavuryan

On yer bike you foreigner. This is a matter that concerns Cypriots.

says the man who thinks Ege is not a male name. defol rum

If I remember correctly, I said Ege is a girls name. She was the wife of a good friend. I did not deny that it could be a mans name.

Now behave yourself or stick to the topic in hand. Cyprus has nothing to do with the Azeris or Armenians, unless they are Cypriot Armenians - originally kicked out of Asia minor.

Do many of your friends use Greek names?

[Kikapu]

There cannot be any guarantees from Turkey in Cyprus. They had that privilege back in 1960 and abused it beyond any imagination soon after, along with Greece and Britain, therefore, they only have themselves to blame for not being wanted as a guarantors any longer. At least Greece and Britain now have the good sense not to make such ludicrous demands. I guess they have accepted their failures as guarantors and are willing to let their guarantor memberships expire. Had they ALL used their privileged guarantorships to what they all signed up to do, which they had not, and not only they did not do what they were suppose to do, but instead one had became an occupying power, I'm almost certain there would be no questions asked today as far as them ALL being invited to be guarantors again, had they all did their duties to the benefit of Cyprus and for ALL Cypriots. As the saying goes, "Fuck me once, shame on you.! Fuck me twice, shame on me".! For those who insists that there cannot be a settlement unless Turkey is a guarantor power, they are not looking after the interest of Cyprus and ALL Cypriots, but the interest of ONLY Turkey's and also to keep their Taksim dreams alive by the Fascist NeoPartitionist, only this time Taksim will come in the form as a recognised EU member and not the "Pirates of the Mediterranean" is what we have today in the north.

There are far better and more effective ways to secure everyone security in Cyprus, starting with a constitution that respects Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles than invite the same past "Three Stooges". Had they been the "Three Musketeers", (all for one and one for all), we would not be having this conversation now. If we were to reward bad behaviour in anything, there's no reason why the bad behaviour will not continue again in the future. It's like giving permission for them to become abusive again. Those who say we need Turkey's guarantees are only saying, "we want Turkey's guarantees to achieve Taksim as a recognised EU member". Turkey cannot become a guarantor on one part of the island without violating not only the sovereignty of Cyprus as a whole, but the sovereignty of the 27 EU member nation, which I'm most certain that the EU will not want Turkey to become their guarantor power of any part of her own territory, thank you very much.!

Which part(s) of the above tickled your fancy, Deniz.?

It would be easier to ask what bit I did not like. That answer is easy. The last fullstop.

I like you, Deniz. You are easy to please.!

[denizaksulu]

There cannot be any guarantees from Turkey in Cyprus. They had that privilege back in 1960 and abused it beyond any imagination soon after, along with Greece and Britain, therefore, they only have themselves to blame for not being wanted as a guarantors any longer. At least Greece and Britain now have the good sense not to make such ludicrous demands. I guess they have accepted their failures as guarantors and are willing to let their guarantor memberships expire. Had they ALL used their privileged guarantorships to what they all signed up to do, which they had not, and not only they did not do what they were suppose to do, but instead one had became an occupying power, I'm almost certain there would be no questions asked today as far as them ALL being invited to be guarantors again, had they all did their duties to the benefit of Cyprus and for ALL Cypriots. As the saying goes, "Fuck me once, shame on you.! Fuck me twice, shame on me".! For those who insists that there cannot be a settlement unless Turkey is a guarantor power, they are not looking after the interest of Cyprus and ALL Cypriots, but the interest of ONLY Turkey's and also to keep their Taksim dreams alive by the Fascist NeoPartitionist, only this time Taksim will come in the form as a recognised EU member and not the "Pirates of the Mediterranean" is what we have today in the north.

There are far better and more effective ways to secure everyone security in Cyprus, starting with a constitution that respects Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles than invite the same past "Three Stooges". Had they been the "Three Musketeers", (all for one and one for all), we would not be having this conversation now. If we were to reward bad behaviour in anything, there's no reason why the bad behaviour will not continue again in the future. It's like giving permission for them to become abusive again. Those who say we need Turkey's guarantees are only saying, "we want Turkey's guarantees to achieve Taksim as a recognised EU member". Turkey cannot become a guarantor on one part of the island without violating not only the sovereignty of Cyprus as a whole, but the sovereignty of the 27 EU member nation, which I'm most certain that the EU will not want Turkey to become their guarantor power of any part of her own territory, thank you very much.!

Which part(s) of the above tickled your fancy, Deniz.?

It would be easier to ask what bit I did not like. That answer is easy. The last fullstop.

I like you, Deniz. You are easy to please.!

Hey, take it easy old boy, What?

Flippin heck; I must be suffering from Yfreditis.

Nothing wrong with common sense now is there?

[Malapapa]

No it means they have left the negotiations nothing left to discuss as they know this is the TCs life line.

Lifeline? It's your road to ruin and, just because you can't see it, expecting free Cypriots to join you on your journey to hell is foolish.

Whats the alternative to trust GCs?

You have no alternative. You'll do what Turkey's army tells you to do until you develop the courage to rebel.

why should we rebel?

I doubt your die-hard collaborators will rebel but those no longer able to exploit their ill-gotten gains may wish to force the issue when the siege really begins to bite.

[wyoming cowboy]

VP you still sound like a lady with an anxiety disorder,,,there is reallly no way to respond to your baloney except to grab you by the ear and pull you towards the light.....The nonsense you spew on this forum shows your stupidity and naiveness about world affairs....wake up and smell the roses

VP with all due respect man, you sound like a lady with an anxiety problem.....The European Union isnt going anywhere, its the wave of the future in that multi ethnic countries working together for a better tomorrow, economically, culturally and politically.....The EU laws are clear cut and guaranteed....I understand you need time to get over your anxiety thats been instilled in you by your propaganda machine in Turkey and Denktash.....I hope one day you go beyond all propaganda and see whats best for the entire island of Cyprus and not just what the TC have been conditioned to understand......

wyoming without any respect you sound like a prostitute on heat who cant enough EU c__k. Countries can survive outside of the EU and do all Over the world. What you have tounderstand is that you cannot have all the men use you in the fashion you are accustomed to. The day you start responding to my posta in a respectful manner is the day i do the same.

[Kikapu]

I like you, Deniz. You are easy to please.!

Hey, take it easy old boy, What?

Flippin heck; I must be suffering from Yfreditis.

Nothing wrong with common sense now is there?

Yeah, I know, I will be 55 soon.!

I'm surprised I have lived this long, given my past activities in life.!

"Yfreditis" sounds like a "Foot & Mouth" decease.!

Then again, that's what YFred is good at, putting his foot in his mouth all the time.!

Good common sense keeps people alive, so keep it up, Deniz.!:wink: