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[Viewpoint]

The alternative to trusting the GC's, is having trust in the European Union, The Federal government proposed by the GC's is nothing more then an enforcer of EU laws, and regulations, this is the crust of what the Gc are proposing....The Tc on the other hand want to join the EU but in their rhetoric dont trust the EU, When the time comes the TC will realize that their rhetoric will have to catch up to what their hearts really want, and then there will be a solution to the Cyprus issue. Until then stay on our stolen lands, keep crossing the borders for work and medical care, and continue acting backwards, actually your attitudes are an embarassment to Cyprus, and all modern forward thinking Cypriots....

No it means they have left the negotiations nothing left to discuss as they know this is the TCs life line.

Lifeline? It's your road to ruin and, just because you can't see it, expecting free Cypriots to join you on your journey to hell is foolish.

Whats the alternative to trust GCs?

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Do you think your attitude helps us understand each other? I personally am not a fan of the EU which imo is scheduled to disintergrate real soon so this trust the EU perspective is pure bullshit, if the TCs have no say in the governement and Gcs pass laws as the wish unhindered or without TCs support then where will the EU be? when a fanatic GC places a bomb in my daughters TC school and children are killed just because they are TC what will the EU do? call a meeting and pass another judgement, will this bring my daughter? there has to be clear cut rules that will guarantee and safeguard everyone not just TCs GCs as well.

[wyoming cowboy]

VP with all due respect man, you sound like a lady with an anxiety problem.....The European Union isnt going anywhere, its the wave of the future in that multi ethnic countries working together for a better tomorrow, economically, culturally and politically.....The EU laws are clear cut and guaranteed....I understand you need time to get over your anxiety thats been instilled in you by your propaganda machine in Turkey and Denktash.....I hope one day you go beyond all propaganda and see whats best for the entire island of Cyprus and not just what the TC have been conditioned to understand......

[Malapapa]

No it means they have left the negotiations nothing left to discuss as they know this is the TCs life line.

Lifeline? It's your road to ruin and, just because you can't see it, expecting free Cypriots to join you on your journey to hell is foolish.

Whats the alternative to trust GCs?

You have no alternative. You'll do what Turkey's army tells you to do until you develop the courage to rebel.

[wyoming cowboy]

You know exactly what i mean about Turkish propaganda, There is no freedom of speech, You Tube has been banned in Turkey, Kurds cannot speak their language....Now as a free thinking person, would you accept what Turkey has said or claims totally knowing full well their oppressive nature..There were problems in the past, that cannot be rectified....But saying tht the Gc are the villains is unproductive, Answer these questions Were there Tc living peacefully with the Gc unprotected throughout Cyprus prior to 74? Was there productive and meaningfull contact between the TC and Gc in NIcosia and other parts of Cyprus? In the early 70's were the Tc who voluntarily enclaved themselves coming back to their homes and fields? This notion of a sweeping judgement on all Gc as being Vampires and murderers gets noone nowhere.....I could unanimously say that all Turks and Tc are vicious barbarians who kill torture and steal Gc lands

[wyoming cowboy]

The Tc have been left in a time bubble embargoed and isolated by the Turkish army for 36 years you still cling to the ideals that got your people into this mess ie;;;Taksim, no trust in GC or anyone other then Turk....The Gc on the other hand have become cosmopolitan, and have moved on from the 60.s and 70's. Noone mentions Enosis on the free areas of Cyprus, their eyes are on Europe and prosperity....The Tc are still in the mindset of Taksim segregation and aparteid...The Gc bogeyman is gonna getcha...is what you people keep talking about....REad your article a GC is gonna plant a bomb and kill your kid....where in the world did you get that one from? In order to continue the forward looking prosperity and modernization of Cyprus there has to be peace and the rule of law....The TC wanting to usurp the rights of the majority for their illusion of security is going to leave them in the dust ever further...

The alternative to trusting the GC's, is having trust in the European Union, The Federal government proposed by the GC's is nothing more then an enforcer of EU laws, and regulations, this is the crust of what the Gc are proposing....The Tc on the other hand want to join the EU but in their rhetoric dont trust the EU, When the time comes the TC will realize that their rhetoric will have to catch up to what their hearts really want, and then there will be a solution to the Cyprus issue. Until then stay on our stolen lands, keep crossing the borders for work and medical care, and continue acting backwards, actually your attitudes are an embarassment to Cyprus, and all modern forward thinking Cypriots....

No it means they have left the negotiations nothing left to discuss as they know this is the TCs life line.

Lifeline? It's your road to ruin and, just because you can't see it, expecting free Cypriots to join you on your journey to hell is foolish.

Whats the alternative to trust GCs?

,

Do you think your attitude helps us understand each other? I personally am not a fan of the EU which imo is scheduled to disintergrate real soon so this trust the EU perspective is pure bullshit, if the TCs have no say in the governement and Gcs pass laws as the wish unhindered or without TCs support then where will the EU be? when a fanatic GC places a bomb in my daughters TC school and children are killed just because they are TC what will the EU do? call a meeting and pass another judgement, will this bring my daughter? there has to be clear cut rules that will guarantee and safeguard everyone not just TCs GCs as well.

[denizaksulu]

This quote sums it all up;

"we do not accept a solution based on Turkish conditions, aims and aspirations. Compromise is one thing and submission another”, - Garoyan

Enough said

says the armenian. and Azeris do not accept a solution based on armenian conditions mr. gavuryan

On yer bike you foreigner. This is a matter that concerns Cypriots.

[runaway]

This quote sums it all up;

"we do not accept a solution based on Turkish conditions, aims and aspirations. Compromise is one thing and submission another”, - Garoyan

Enough said

says the armenian. and Azeris do not accept a solution based on armenian conditions mr. gavuryan

On yer bike you foreigner. This is a matter that concerns Cypriots.

says the man who thinks Ege is not a male name. defol rum

[Kikapu]

There cannot be any guarantees from Turkey in Cyprus. They had that privilege back in 1960 and abused it beyond any imagination soon after, along with Greece and Britain, therefore, they only have themselves to blame for not being wanted as a guarantors any longer. At least Greece and Britain now have the good sense not to make such ludicrous demands. I guess they have accepted their failures as guarantors and are willing to let their guarantor memberships expire. Had they ALL used their privileged guarantorships to what they all signed up to do, which they had not, and not only they did not do what they were suppose to do, but instead one had became an occupying power, I'm almost certain there would be no questions asked today as far as them ALL being invited to be guarantors again, had they all did their duties to the benefit of Cyprus and for ALL Cypriots. As the saying goes, "Fuck me once, shame on you.! Fuck me twice, shame on me".! For those who insists that there cannot be a settlement unless Turkey is a guarantor power, they are not looking after the interest of Cyprus and ALL Cypriots, but the interest of ONLY Turkey's and also to keep their Taksim dreams alive by the Fascist NeoPartitionist, only this time Taksim will come in the form as a recognised EU member and not the "Pirates of the Mediterranean" is what we have today in the north.

There are far better and more effective ways to secure everyone security in Cyprus, starting with a constitution that respects Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles than invite the same past "Three Stooges". Had they been the "Three Musketeers", (all for one and one for all), we would not be having this conversation now. If we were to reward bad behaviour in anything, there's no reason why the bad behaviour will not continue again in the future. It's like giving permission for them to become abusive again. Those who say we need Turkey's guarantees are only saying, "we want Turkey's guarantees to achieve Taksim as a recognised EU member". Turkey cannot become a guarantor on one part of the island without violating not only the sovereignty of Cyprus as a whole, but the sovereignty of the 27 EU member nation, which I'm most certain that the EU will not want Turkey to become their guarantor power of any part of her own territory, thank you very much.!

Which part(s) of the above tickled your fancy, Deniz.?

[Malapapa]

This quote sums it all up;

"we do not accept a solution based on Turkish conditions, aims and aspirations. Compromise is one thing and submission another”, - Garoyan

Enough said

says the armenian. and Azeris do not accept a solution based on armenian conditions mr. gavuryan

On yer bike you foreigner. This is a matter that concerns Cypriots.

says the man who thinks Ege is not a male name. defol rum

Don't you get the message that Greece and Britain have understood? Leave Cyprus and its people alone.

[B25]

This quote sums it all up;

"we do not accept a solution based on Turkish conditions, aims and aspirations. Compromise is one thing and submission another”, - Garoyan

Enough said

says the armenian. and Azeris do not accept a solution based on armenian conditions mr. gavuryan

On yer bike you foreigner. This is a matter that concerns Cypriots.

Post deleted, apologies to Deniz, I mis read your post.