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How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Viewpoint » Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:56 pm

wyoming cowboy wrote:You make no sense YFred your democratic rights only consist of being a minority run by a majority of Greek cyps, if we Greek cyps decide that there will be no guarantee then there wont be......Go find and learn the definitions of what a democracy is before you come back....and hurry up
YFred wrote:I said it before and I'll say it again. You go asikdir any time you like but the TCs will keep their guarantor and their gurantee. Surely it is our democratic right, No?


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Postby DT. » Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:58 pm

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wyoming cowboy wrote:You make no sense YFred your democratic rights only consist of being a minority run by a majority of Greek cyps, if we Greek cyps decide that there will be no guarantee then there wont be......Go find and learn the definitions of what a democracy is before you come back....and hurry up
YFred wrote:I said it before and I'll say it again. You go asikdir any time you like but the TCs will keep their guarantor and their gurantee. Surely it is our democratic right, No?


read your own constitution


read it and it says that the tc community has a 30% participation in parliament and can never elect a President. Now if you were a partner with someone under these terms in a business would you accept them?

I know I'd only accept them if I were a minority shareholder.
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Postby wyoming cowboy » Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:02 pm

If anyone cant be trusted its the Tc's and their interpretations of what they sign..In Zurich they signed a paper thinking they would live in a democracy but have sweeping veto powers over the majority.....Unfortunately noone told them that in a Democracy the majority rules...as long as theminorities rights are not trambled upon...But the Tc continue with their hysterics Its the Tc's who resented the fact that the GC were in control and therefore could not continue within the roc...so they withdrew....beginning the process of total chaos If anyone cant trust anyone its the Gc not trusting the Tc's/.......
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paliometoxo wrote::) thats good, compromise from both sides just to ensure the security of both sides to put our minds to rest.

with an expiry date to the garantee wE both are happy and get what we want, you have your safety and after time we have no Garantores in cyprus after your happy with how things are going in cy.


This is theonly way we can agree a solution just saying No gets us nowhere


The Turkish Reich's continued interference in Cyprus's affairs is not a solution.


you are not to be trusted which part of we do not trust youdont you understand?
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Postby Malapapa » Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:03 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
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paliometoxo wrote::) thats good, compromise from both sides just to ensure the security of both sides to put our minds to rest.

with an expiry date to the garantee wE both are happy and get what we want, you have your safety and after time we have no Garantores in cyprus after your happy with how things are going in cy.


This is theonly way we can agree a solution just saying No gets us nowhere


The Turkish Reich's continued interference in Cyprus's affairs is not a solution.


you are not to be trusted which part of we do not trust youdont you understand?


Sorry. That's your problem and the Turkish Reich's problem because both need a breakthrough on Cyprus more than the free Cypriots do. Don't you understand?
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Postby wyoming cowboy » Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:06 pm

I read the constitution of cyprus and others, and i do know that in a Democracy as the Republic of Cyprus was meant to be, the majority has rights also, just like the majority cannot usurp the minorities rights civil, the minority cannot usurp the rights of the majority in a democracy these are covennants which are inferred in all democracies....The veto given the Tuck cyps is unconstitutional, and has no relevance in a democracy.......any legal scholar will tell you this
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wyoming cowboy wrote:You make no sense YFred your democratic rights only consist of being a minority run by a majority of Greek cyps, if we Greek cyps decide that there will be no guarantee then there wont be......Go find and learn the definitions of what a democracy is before you come back....and hurry up
YFred wrote:I said it before and I'll say it again. You go asikdir any time you like but the TCs will keep their guarantor and their gurantee. Surely it is our democratic right, No?


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Neutral force is required

Postby georgios100 » Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:07 pm

Neither Turkey or Greece or England should qualify as a future guarantor for a united RoC. The reason is simple. In case of hostilities, these quarantors will take sides to impose their own will.

What we need is a neutral country or a force made of neutral countries similar to the UN peace keepers but well armed and ready to combat in order to maintain order in the island.

The RoC shall pay for stationing such a force as we do now with UN.

This proposed force may be of European nature. RoC is Europe "land".

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Postby wyoming cowboy » Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:10 pm

Nevertheless why was the Republic a viable functioning entity, for four full years before the Turk cyps decided they didnt want this system, afterall....My question to all cypriots is why after four full years the Tc began to arm themselves and deny the ROC the right to exercise its authority in all corners of Cyprus?
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:29 pm

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wyoming cowboy wrote:You make no sense YFred your democratic rights only consist of being a minority run by a majority of Greek cyps, if we Greek cyps decide that there will be no guarantee then there wont be......Go find and learn the definitions of what a democracy is before you come back....and hurry up

YFred wrote:I said it before and I'll say it again. You go asikdir any time you like but the TCs will keep their guarantor and their gurantee. Surely it is our democratic right, No?


read your own constitution


read it and it says that the tc community has a 30% participation in parliament and can never elect a President. Now if you were a partner with someone under these terms in a business would you accept them?

Yes because thats what i agreed but if my partner was greedy and wanted more than agreed by trying to change the agreement then that give me the right to fight for my own rights in light of my so called partner.

I know I'd only accept them if I were a minority shareholder.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:33 pm

wyoming cowboy wrote:I read the constitution of cyprus and others, and i do know that in a Democracy as the Republic of Cyprus was meant to be, the majority has rights also, just like the majority cannot usurp the minorities rights civil, the minority cannot usurp the rights of the majority in a democracy these are covennants which are inferred in all democracies....The veto given the Tuck cyps is unconstitutional, and has no relevance in a democracy.......any legal scholar will tell you this
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wyoming cowboy wrote:You make no sense YFred your democratic rights only consist of being a minority run by a majority of Greek cyps, if we Greek cyps decide that there will be no guarantee then there wont be......Go find and learn the definitions of what a democracy is before you come back....and hurry up
YFred wrote:I said it before and I'll say it again. You go asikdir any time you like but the TCs will keep their guarantor and their gurantee.
Surely it is our democratic right, No?



Did you sign the agreement? How are you to be trusted if you renegge on what you commit to.

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Re: Neutral force is required

Postby Viewpoint » Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:36 pm

georgios100 wrote:Neither Turkey or Greece or England should qualify as a future guarantor for a united RoC. The reason is simple. In case of hostilities, these quarantors will take sides to impose their own will.

What we need is a neutral country or a force made of neutral countries similar to the UN peace keepers but well armed and ready to combat in order to maintain order in the island.

The RoC shall pay for stationing such a force as we do now with UN.

This proposed force may be of European nature. RoC is Europe "land".

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how can we trust an eu force to act in time or unbiasedly?
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